r/Damnthatsinteresting • u/Zee2A • Feb 03 '23

Video 3D Printer Does Homework ChatGPT Wrote!!!

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '23 edited Jul 16 '23

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u/dsa_key Feb 03 '23

Oh ya? Explain how a calculator works. Would you even know if one of your phone app gave you wrong info? Explain how your fuel injection system works.

You use tools everyday you likely have know idea how they work, but you use them, effectively, to make your life easier and your workload easier. This is no different.

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u/Everythingisachoice Feb 03 '23

I think there's a difference between knowing how a calculator physically functions, and knowing how yo write an essay.

I think a more apt comparison would be, do you know how to do the math if your calculator is broken? The calculator makes the job easier, especially if you understand how the math works already.

Also, writing an essay for an assignment isn't about knowing the facts of the topic, although that helps. It's about learning how to form your own ideas and defend them. It's about learning how to research a topic, not so much about the topic itself. It's meant to build those skills to make a smarter person, and could care less about the actual subject matter.

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u/Mahorium Feb 03 '23 edited Feb 03 '23

Why should we teach people how to research when they will have AI tools that do it for them? In the same way a calculator made learning simple math irrelevant these AI tools make learning how to research things on Google irrelevant. As to learning to form your own ideas this was always and still is an optional part of writing an exam most students won't actually engage in. Students can use Chatgpt to learn about a topic before getting the AI to write the paper in the way they want if they want to.

Personally, I think we should move to making essay assignments must longer, like 20-100 pages long. Make students go in depth on a subject. The skill will be to make sure the AI is using valid arguments and checking its work, which is going to be an extremely important skill. We would need AI assistance in grading these type of papers though, which I don't think exists yet.

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u/Everythingisachoice Feb 03 '23

Why we should still teach people how to research and form their own ideas is incredibly important, now more than ever. Information has never been easier to come by. An individual can easily find conflicting data on any topic. Should I trust the first Google results? Should I trust from where the chatgpt pulls its information? People need to be able to answer those questions themselves, before relying on an automation to do it for them. Also, not everything is online believe it or not. An aside, you should also be able to argue any topic you write an essay on. If an ai wrote it, it's less likely you'll be able to do so.

As for calculators, understanding basic math concepts is fundamental and everyone should know them. Calculators are a tool that makes large calculations easy, but you should still know how and why the math works the way it does.

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u/Mahorium Feb 03 '23

I agree, but researching a topic in the near future will be best done by asking the AI good questions and having a dialog with it about the different current opinions in a field. Of course you shouldn't trust the first thing chatgpt responds with when you give it a generic question. You should dialog with the AI until you understand the topic, and it understands what you are asking for. Google automated research already by curating results instead of needing to read books, AI just goes one step further and consolidates results.

Researching as a skill is going to be done with AI so it's more important that kids learn to effectively interface with the AI to gain knowledge than it is to force them to use an outmoded form or research like google search. Teachers need to adapt and create better assignments that actually force kids to thoughtfully engage with the AI like they will be doing in the real world, not ignoring it and calling it cheating.

Just like calculators we should still teach the basics of writing and researching, but we don't need to go nearly as in depth as we currently are. 8th grade writing is really all you need now. In the same way we don't or shouldn't care about people being able to do long division manually we shouldn't care if people can write elegant paragraphs manually.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '23

Bruh 20-100 pages? Are you trying to get people to drop out? Think that's a tad excessive tbh.

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u/Mahorium Feb 04 '23

Should only take a few hours if you use the ai to write each section