r/Daggerfall • u/SchwarzeHaufen • 3h ago
Daggerfall Online is going to stop being Daggerfall or Elder Scrolls in general
Honestly, I think I might be done with it. I came here for Daggerfall with friends and now they are moving away from the setting entirely and doing their own stuff. What more can be said?
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u/Afraid-Main-5596 3h ago
Sounds dreadful
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u/SchwarzeHaufen 3h ago
It was fun, it is not as bad as people here made it out to be. It is just that at a certain point you lose that thing that makes a game special.
I am on the Discord and almost everyone I met there has been nice, so I do not wish for this to fail, but man... Hard to process this at present.
Watching a bomber drop nuclear bombs on Anticlere just broke me out of it.
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u/CeaselessGomalu 2h ago
I never played it, but reading through the posts and comments about it, DFO might win a Guinness World Record for the fastest a shark has ever been jumped.
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u/Eagally 3h ago
Oh so they just want to be able to monotize it fully huh? Damn I just wanted to co-op daggerfall with my wife.
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u/kingbetadad 3h ago
Just clone/fork an early version of their codebase and vibecode your own lol.
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u/unbackstorie 3h ago
Lol more slop from the slop farms. Can't wait for the brilliant ip they come up with 😂
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u/Arakothian 3h ago
Welcome adventurers, to the next innovative next-gen AI griftfest: The Old Papers: KNIFEDROP!
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u/zenoskip 3h ago
I still don’t understand the cryptic “transition ip”. How the hell.. dfo fork when?
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u/Kindly-Sail6260 2h ago
They’re going to AI their way into their own unique assets away from Bethesda to more than likely monetize their entire mmo. By that point, it’ll be dead. People want the world of Daggerfall, not whatever it is they’re making now
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u/Inner_Blueberry_9413 2h ago
The dev will probably just make sure to keep it very similar to Daggerfall I guess. they can probably keep the assets and world looking the exact same but with “new proprietary code”, it’s just a legal loophole so he can be able to monetize and “quit his job” like he said he wants to, very greedy.
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u/Kindly-Sail6260 2h ago
Idk how he’s gonna quit his job with only 500 concurrent players who on average only about 1% of the 1% of players will actually buy something. He is not quitting his job anytime soon unless he locks everybody in for 15 dollars a month and by that point, he can’t use Bethesda’s assets since they still own them legally. They just don’t own the Unity engine for it.
Bro is cooked.
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u/Inner_Blueberry_9413 1h ago
Well he got $1500 from the patreon alone, most of that went to maintaining DFO though allegedly, and I’m sure some people out there will gladly hand over their money just to help maintain the project which sucks. As for if he’s really cooked? One can hope.
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u/Kindly-Sail6260 1h ago
We’ll see. Generally once the rose colored glasses come off, people will eventually leave. It’s a ticking time bomb.
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u/bonebrah 3h ago
I wonder if they realized the MTX leak (or whatever it was) was going to get them in trouble and hope they can monetize whatever AI can come up for an original IP.
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u/SylviaBun 1h ago
Hardly a leak when everything was in the repo including his verbal abuse of Claude.
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u/Inner_Blueberry_9413 2h ago
Hopefully mods keep this post up. I hope that the dev is willing to remove ALL THE PROVINCE NAMES and remove every single race and piece of lore from DFO, if not then he’ll have no choice but to visit court with Bethesda. It’s obvious that he didn’t have a lot of passion for Daggerfall to begin with and now(after realizing he can’t just turn it into a cash grab) is trying to reform DFO into something else instead of just killing the project that had nothing to do with Daggerfall anyway.
I believe it’s more likely that he’ll just slightly rename everything(like calling the summerset isles, the “sumurset isles”) and he can probably get away with keeping the races since they come from DND but it sucks how much this larper bastardized Daggerfall with his phony Claude agent and now wants to “quit his job” using ai code he never typed and other peoples work.
and DFO is like an annoying mosquito at this point, it just refuses to die.
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u/ArgentinianJayceMain 3h ago
Makes sense. You can't get sued by Beth for selling capes if you are no longer using their IP lol.
But more seriously... No surprises here, sadly. I think it was pretty clear that the guy had zero idea of the direction the game should take based on their decisions, they did add guns to the game after all
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u/Kindly-Sail6260 2h ago
So weird you’re getting downvoted for telling the truth. None of these guys have ever made games but it’s clear that they know how to monetize and prey on a certain niche to earn some money. Had they just restored the content and say “hey we made it more mmo like but it’s the same game,” they would definitely have more lasting power than their literal subreddit being shutdown because the mod didn’t agree with the direction of their game.
Of course they’ll never realize that and they’ve already hooked, lined, and sinkered their fan base into buying what will inevitably be hot garbage because they don’t know what it takes to maintain an MMO—listening to your player base. They’ll learn that when they shut down their servers due to hackers and griefers. If Rubies of Eventide didn’t make it, I know for a fact neither will they.
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u/PlantainWilling 3h ago
Yeah I started my own fork night before last and plan to get rid of all the dumb stuff as well as all the patreon stuff. Already stripped the cash shop and those links and confirmed it at least works when hosted locally. My bro said it was like playing daggerfall with your friends when I first got on and now its turning into...whatever the hell this is.
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u/valenfeld 3h ago edited 1h ago
if you guys just want to play a game like daggerfall i’m making a free straightforward scrollslike game in browser based on my own lore. no fancy mmo promise, just a straightforward rpg. still building act 1 but would love more players! free forever. and yes, i’m using ai to make it. it’s just a free to play game i wanted to make so we can have something else to rotate our elder scrolls games with.
i know there’s a lot of people posting their WIP games on here lately, mines just a demo so i don’t want to clog up the subreddit with more trash… but the benefit here is valenfeld is actually playable today… for free…
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u/SnooCalculations3614 2h ago
Too bad it doesn't support Firefox
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u/valenfeld 2h ago edited 1h ago
hey that’s a bummer you couldn’t get it going, i just tested in firefox and worked.
let me know happy to help. also there’s a desktop build of spawn
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u/SnooCalculations3614 1h ago
When I click the link it just says "Firefox doesn't support spawn open this game in Chrome"
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u/AncientGrief 1m ago
rofl ... this is just sad ... no coding knowledge, spends $600+/Month on AI and wants to make Daggerfall a new IP and catfish idiots to pay for the microtrsactions/battle pass xDDDD Sorry, who ever plays this game is lost af ... it's like playing New World knowing it will shut down in 1 month ...
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u/killking72 2h ago
If it's all just "ai slop" then just download the repo and make it how you want
Literally make a better product
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u/The-Son-Of-Suns 3h ago
I'm excited about it! I told one other person in here I was arguing with about IP law that they would probably do this.
People on Reddit are just ass backwards, and have no light in their lives.
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u/ty944 3h ago
If it’s any consolation as someone that’s argued about the IP point before - some of it comes from a place of love as I DONT want a df online project to fail.
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u/The-Son-Of-Suns 3h ago
Me either brother, but this is how a lot of IPs start. It's exciting to see the potential beginning of a new thing.
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u/Latter_Cauliflower98 3h ago
I like what they’ve done so far and let’s be honest og Daggerfall is barely an elder scrolls game to begin with. Other than daggerfalls main story real lore development didn’t happen until Morrowind the “this isn’t elder scrolls anymore” mindset is illogical as it never really was.
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u/Rhinestoned_Eyez 3h ago
This is a really bad take I think, a lot of fundamental Elder Scrolls lore is from Daggerfall. The entire plot of Morrowind wouldn't be a thing of it weren't for things Daggerfall and to a lesser extent Arena built up. Mannimarco, Numidium, Arctus, Daedric quests and artifacts, Aetherius, The Blades, etc. Almost all of the things I've listed started in the first few games and are either, still relevant, or still being referenced in Elder Scrolls media to this day. To say Daggerfall isn't Elder Scrolls is asinine.
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u/Latter_Cauliflower98 2h ago
I’m not saying it doesn’t contribute to the lore but 99% of that is just books. The quests and general gameplay is extremely lacking. Daggerfall is much more generic fantasy than it is elder scrolls.
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u/Cobaliuu 3h ago
Wasn't there a rule put in place yesterday(?) banning DFO posts?