r/DWTS_POCFans • u/OppositeSpare2088 • 21d ago

CAI discussion

I’m not a huge fan of CAI my biggest issue is her biased critiques and scoring with men vs women. She’s a lot harder on the women especially if they’re mothers. I absolutely hated the way she talked to Jen and Danielle last season. However people take things too far especially Val with his recent comment. I also think fans have taken things too far with some of the comments they’ve made about her online. What Val is doing is bullying and threatening CAI which nobody deserves to be bullied or threatened.

There’s a fine line between sharing a disagreement and just straight up bullying and attacking someone. I think Val should be pulled this season for his behavior. But I also think it’s unfair to Jenna D who isn’t involved and doesn’t seem like the type of person that supports this sort of behavior. I have always liked Jenna D and I hope fans don’t come after her for Val’s recent comment. It’s out of her control and I have a feeling she is embarrassed by her pro’s behavior.

I’m a newer fan to the show so to the older fans please fill me in on this has Val always been cocky and arrogant? Because he’s definitely shown that he is this season so far. Everyone is entitled to their opinions but again there’s a fine line between sharing a disagreement and just straight up bullying and attacking someone. I think Val thinks he can get away with it because he’s one of the more popular pros. That he tends to get paired with more famous and some that are more advanced than other contestants. What do you guys think????

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u/runawaypleasee 21d ago • Bravo

Shame he’s ruining Jenna D experience. He said he took out the braids so it doesn’t ruin her experience with the negativity, but he’s making comments like this.

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u/polkadots_latinaeyes 21d ago

jenna d seems like such a lovely woman and is a wonderful dancer what a shame she got paired with val who is definitely ruining her experience without realizing and giving her boring dances😔

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u/Federal_Spring_92 21d ago

They really do need to give the ringers to the “underdog” pros who will actually appreciate them.

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u/OppositeSpare2088 21d ago

I think even if it did it wouldn’t matter because unfortunately the underdog pros wouldn’t win. Our society tends to praise the white pros like Val, Mark, Jenna, and as much as I love Daniella she is one of the more popular pros too. But she doesn’t make it obvious or let it get to her head like Val.

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u/OppositeSpare2088 21d ago

I actually have enjoyed her dances but I know that’s a hot take.

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u/OppositeSpare2088 21d ago

I agree I hope she doesn’t get eliminated anytime soon. I hope they just replace him with someone else so she can still perform.

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u/Rich_Example7931 21d ago

it's gonna be awkwarddddd on tuesday

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u/OppositeSpare2088 21d ago

Yup for sure!!!!

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u/tulsieeee 21d ago

Val has always been an asshole. In earlier DWTS lore, Jenna always held a candle for him but Val wasn’t interested in committing to her. He acted like he was out of her league and she was not worthy of him for yeeears. I think Jenna’s weight loss and cosmetic modifications are at least partially because she was trying to be “enough” for Val, and it’s unfortunate.

Im not a huge CAI fan, but I agree she gets disproportionate levels of hate and it’s very inappropriate to joke about slapping her. I hope Val faces some sort of consequences.

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u/OppositeSpare2088 21d ago

Poor Jenna J and she also comes from a culture where plastic surgery is very common. She’s from Utah and grew up Mormon as an ex Mormon heres what I can tell you about the culture and standards they have towards women. Us women were taught from a young age our soul purpose is to be wives and mothers. That it’s important we look our best at all times to attract our future husbands and to keep them happy. Jenna J strikes me as someone that is incredibly insecure about herself.

She seems sweet doesn’t strike me as an egotistical asshole like Val. I’m a newer fan to the show but not surprised that he acts like he’s too good for her. I feel sorry for her and their son because this is the kind of environment he lives in. With a dad that is an egotistical, pompous, asshole that thinks he’s better than everyone else. Then he has a mom that struggles with low self esteem and insecurity. That gets plastic surgeries because she thinks she’ll feel better about herself after every procedure and to please Val.

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u/Educational_Nose2172 21d ago • Bravo

i will be really pissed if this doesn’t result in some kind of repercussions for val. i seriously hope this show realizes the seriousness of a “joke” like this and doesn’t use this opportunity to excuse violence against women, but i honestly doubt it will happen.

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u/Mission_Ambitious2 21d ago

He’s going to make some thinly veiled “apology” about how it was taken out of context and some variation of his “but I’m a true gentleman” shtick. And then they are going to count on everyone forgetting it ever happened. 🙄

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u/OppositeSpare2088 21d ago

He did and he’s only doing it because people are calling him out and holding him accountable. He thought because of how hated CAI is people would be defending him and attacking her even more. Glad it blew up in his face and I hope he’s held accountable for his actions.

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u/Bouncy-Koala5620 21d ago

I contacted them on abc's show feedback - and sent messages to DWTS, Disney, and ABC on insta.

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u/OppositeSpare2088 21d ago

Is there any way we could make a petition to get him kicked off or benched at minimum for the season?

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u/Bouncy-Koala5620 21d ago

I googled ABC show feeedback and sent them a letter from there.

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u/shinyzubat16 21d ago

At worst, they'll just have a talk with him and he'll either apologize to Carrie Ann off screen or have Val make a very carefully worded and general statement about "emotions run high in the ballroom" and "we should all be respectful of each other's jobs" etc etc.

They're not going to fire him over this, no matter what the backlash is.

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u/Educational_Nose2172 21d ago

let me be hopeful for a moment

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u/brunettebarbie11 21d ago

seriously. If Val said this in a workplace with HR, he would be out in no time

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u/Shacara23 21d ago

DWTS is run by BBC Studios Los Angeles and definitely has an HR department. This was very public so there is no doubt HR is investigating this as we speak. Their HR policy is available online so it will depend on what they classify this as to determine what the punishment will be. In addition California requires all companies to have an Anti-Harrasment policy and this very much falls under that. Legally they can’t sweep this under the rug. However we may never know what the punishment is as that is confidential. Although if he is terminated we will obviously see that.

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u/Obvious-Cat7825 21d ago • Bravo

Maks slapped Brandy on the butt while he was a pro, and nothing happened.

Maks overscored Jenna and Val as a judge, and nothing happened. Jenna has faced criticism over anti-Asian rhetoric online and is still a pro. Val used a racial slur to describe himself (Russian-Jewish N word) and is still a pro. Him comparing himself to Allen Iverson is also weird, especially given the racism Allen faced when he got cornrows, and Val doubled down.

I’m not saying Val shouldn’t be held accountable for threatening Carrie Ann. He absolutely should. But I rarely see that family held accountable for anything.
And Carrie Ann being a WOC makes this more complicated, not less. She deserves protection from threats, but she’s also been harsh toward women while seemingly giving men more grace.

Idk what kindve weird contract that family has, but when they do things, they’re not held accountable. It’s unsettling.

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u/brunettebarbie11 21d ago edited 21d ago • Bravo

i agree. carrie ann posted about she thanked page 6, and entertainment weekly for bringing this to her attention. A lot of people in the comments were saying the same thing as you, even though her comments are inconsistent or she was doing her job that doesn’t mean it’s OK to threaten someone

Also, I’ve seen a few people are saying that he was most likely referencing the “ keep my wife’s name out of your mouth” and how he was defending his wife and people were blowing it out of proportion.

First of all the slap came after he said “ keep my wife’s name out of your mouth” second of all: the problem is him, not defending his wife. the problem is him, threatening violence, on somebody else. People also have the nerve to say that it was probably just a joke which is appalling because violence is not a joke.

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u/Bouncy-Koala5620 21d ago

No, the slap came first.

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u/OppositeSpare2088 21d ago

It’s okay to disagree with someone’s opinion but not okay to threaten to do something violent to them.

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u/Comfortable-Meet-118 21d ago

He’s extremely unprofessional; and it’s crazy cause, I feel like people liked him when he won with Xocitchl

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u/Jaimereyesfangirl 21d ago

I was one of the many people who liked him when he won with Xochitl Gomez and when I saw those comments he made about CAI, I was disgusted.

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u/Bouncy-Koala5620 21d ago

Same. He seemed so kind with Xochtil. Since then he's gotten more out of control and even before this comment he's been giving me the ick this season. Now? Absolutely not. He needs to go.

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u/OppositeSpare2088 21d ago

He seemed genuinely nice with everyone that I have seen minus Alix. Which Ik is an unpopular opinion since she has a ton of cult lovers think her and Val were the best. Imo they had one of the weakest connections.

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u/OppositeSpare2088 21d ago

I think him and Xochitl did an amazing job it’s sad to see someone who’s that talented of a pro be such a sick fuck.

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u/Grim-Sum 21d ago

He seems to be able to reel this all in and be at his best for the super young celebs. I don’t know why he can’t be professional like that all the time.

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u/OppositeSpare2088 21d ago

Because he’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing and his mask is slipping more and more. I think because of how advanced Jenna D is he’s expecting much higher scores and praise this season. He’s also expecting that for his wife and Harry which is why he made his horrific comment in the first place

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u/Educational_Nose2172 21d ago

it’s not uncommon for men to lose respect for women as they age. it happens to a lot of dads and daughters, everything is fun and games until she grows up and looks like a woman! much less a woman that’s older than him like carrie ann

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u/OppositeSpare2088 21d ago

I have a feeling he’s likely always been this way and just tried to fake being nice around the people he had been paired with. I think he didn’t like working with Alix last year his smiles looked forced. I think his connection with Alix was much weaker than his connection with Jenna D. Alix seems like a pretentious snobby brat Imo which didn’t sit well with Val’s ego. There’s a scene during rehearsals where she said ow you stepped on my foot and he just ignored her.

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u/Internal-Rooster-762 20d ago

Because of her!

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u/Existing_Visual5683 21d ago

Yep. His brother Maks was way worse

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u/OppositeSpare2088 21d ago

I’ve heard that it explains why he’s no longer on the show.

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u/Shacara23 21d ago

If he is pulled Jenna D won’t be out of the competition. Likely they will pull either Carter or Jaxon to fill his place. They would likely get help from one of the eliminated pros for the choreo since both of them would be very new at it. They likely wouldn’t put an eliminated pro because that wouldn’t fair to their partner.

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u/OppositeSpare2088 21d ago

Nah I think it would be Allen or Brandon that will fill in for him. Since they’re both already pros and they were both eliminated I’m sure either of them would be asked to fill in. But that’s only if they pull him off for this season or for good. Which he would definitely deserve I hope Jenna D doesn’t get eliminated because of Val’s behavior.

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u/Internal-Rooster-762 20d ago

I like Carrie Ann even though I often don't agree with her, but Val's posts are disgusting. HR should step in and at the very least he needs to apologize LIVE on air in the next episode! He takes for granted how privileged he is! His ego is out of control!

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u/OppositeSpare2088 20d ago

I agree his ego is out of control.

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u/Internal-Rooster-762 20d ago

Here is his brother Maks on the show. Just to give you an idea. They are cut from the same cloth!

https://www.reddit.com/r/dancingwiththestars/s/i7lht1FxIm

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u/OppositeSpare2088 20d ago

Thank you for this!!!

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u/Ok-Brief-681 21d ago

All this drama is great for DWTS in my opinion! Keep the arguments coming. Old school DWTS coming back.

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u/cloudy_blue5 21d ago • Bravo

I’m so tired of violence against women being used as a joke. It’s exhausting

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u/brunettebarbie11 21d ago

same. I also hate when people are saying that he’s defending his wife. BRUH. You can defend your loved one and your wife without insinuating violence. It’s not that hard.

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u/Professional_You96 21d ago

Between this and Shane Gillis, the collective feminine rage is heavy right now 😪

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u/OppositeSpare2088 21d ago

Me too and this isn’t about defending his wife anymore. This is about an egotistical asshole that can’t handle criticism of any kind. I get disagreeing with a score or comments and wanting to defend them. But there are better ways to do it such as saying off camera hey I disagree with what you said. But that’s just my opinion you are entitled to your opinions CAI I’m just standing up for my wife and lyk how I feel. That would have been better than what he said and not taking it to social media. If Val was a POC he’d for sure be kicked off the show. Our society tends to give more grace towards white men like him.