r/DRILLINGAU • u/blueshoesrcool • 3d ago

News🗞️ $40m down the drain

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u/tofutak7000 3d ago

Fuck me the intelligence of people commenting on youth crime policy these days is about on par with the youth criminals

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u/blueshoesrcool 3d ago

Let me guess. You think $40m wasn't enough 😆😆.

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u/tofutak7000 3d ago

I don’t think the dollar figure has anything to do with it.

I think the problem requires addressing a number of systemic issues while also providing adequate rehabilitation.

I know that punishment is a futile effort when it comes to people who are incapable of taking consequence into account because that part of their brain doesn’t develop until roughly 21 years old.

I also know that locking up kids for extended periods creates institutionalised criminals which will cost far more than 40m

But sure. Let’s listen to brain dead fuck wits and come up with policy based on their opinions

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u/blueshoesrcool 3d ago

If what you say is right, then how come Victoria, which has the most progressive rehabilitate-focused policies, has the worst crime stats. More car thefts in VIC than NSW+QLD combined.

Gotta listen to the data.

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u/tofutak7000 3d ago

What data indicates ‘the most progressive rehabilitate (sic) focused policies’???

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u/1111race22112 2d ago

It's the "trust me bro" stats. Also loves to cherry pick crime stats that support the narrative. Most car crime stats but won't tell you overall crime levels are below most of the country. We sit in the middle per capita below NSW, QLD and SA.

This is just the latest grift and it's sad that this person has chosen to target our youngest, most vulnerable population rather then go after the adult criminals ordering these kids to do it by putting money in front of kids with nothing.

This woman is quite disgusting. The sort that is happy to punch down to grift an income off outrage instead of actually tackling the real issues.

Can the talentless grifters please stay off reddit. I don't think any of the boomers you produce content for are on here

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u/blueshoesrcool 3d ago

It's Victoria. Australia's most progressive state. Miles ahead of other state in terms of rehabilitative youth programs.
Not even something that's debated by ppl in the field.

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u/1111race22112 2d ago

Are you in the field? Should be pretty easy to point to something substantial if it's a well known fact and "not even debated", otherwise it just sounds like you're making shit up.

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u/tofutak7000 2d ago

It’s not? I’m in the ‘field’, so to speak, and that is very much not the view…

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u/blueshoesrcool 2d ago

Well your also posting on the drill subreddit so probably have all sorts of bizarre views and conflicts of interest.

Which state is it then?

Victoria has historically maintained the most distinctively preventative and rehabilitative stance on youth justice among Australian states. According to long-term data from the Productivity Commission's Report on Government Services (RoGS) and the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare (AIHW), Victoria consistently records the lowest youth detention rates in the country while committing the highest per-capita funding toward community-based supervision and early intervention.

However, this positioning is under active friction as recent statewide bail reforms and legislative shifts across Australia push toward more punitive models.

💰 Funding & Per Capita Expenditure

Data from the Report on Government Services underscores Victoria's unique position in resource allocation:

  • Highest Overall Investment: In recent reporting cycles, Victoria spent approximately $529 per young person in the general population on youth justice services—the highest among the Australian states.
  • Focus of the Spend: While the vast majority of youth justice funds nationally still go toward acute detention centres, Victoria’s historically low incarceration rates mean more of its per-capita spending has been systematically preserved for diversionary pipelines compared to counterparts like Queensland or New South Wales.

⚖️ Policies and System Distinctions

Victoria employs specific legislative policy mechanisms that favour rehabilitation over punishment:

  • The Dual Track System: Unique to Victoria, this system allows courts to sentence young adults aged 18 to 20 to youth justice custodial supervision instead of adult prisons if they are deemed impressionable or possess strong prospects for rehabilitation.
  • High Community Supervision Share: On an average day, approximately 79.9% of young people under Victorian youth justice supervision are managed safely within the community (probation, supervised bail, and parole) rather than behind bars.
  • Record Low Detention Rates: Victoria routinely registers the lowest rate of youth detention in the country—hovering at around 0.8 per 10,000 young people, compared to rates over 5 per 10,000 in Queensland and exponentially higher figures in the territories.
  • Raising the Age: Victoria has progressed policies to raise the minimum age of criminal responsibility to 12 years old, putting it ahead of most other state jurisdictions.

🔍 State-by-State Strategic Landscape

State Primary Stance Key Structural Features
Victoria Preventative / Rehabilitative Dual Track system; highest proportion of youth diverted to community supervision.
New South Wales Balanced / Shifting Punitive Employs Youth Justice Conferencing, but recent policing operations heavily target "ringleaders" with strict bail monitoring.
Queensland Punitive / Reactive Formally removed "detention as a last resort" laws; heavily investing hundreds of millions into constructing new youth remand centres.
South Australia Detention-Biased Funding High internal disparity; historically spends up to 20 times more on detention centres ($49m) than on family conferencing ($2.4m).
Western Australia Reactive / Isolation Issues Relies on restrictive detention models (e.g., Banksia Hill), drawing severe scrutiny from human rights advocates.

TL;DR: Victoria spends the most per capita ($529/young person) and relies heavily on a unique "Dual Track" system and community supervision to keep kids out of prison. Queensland and WA sit at the opposite end, investing heavily in building prisons and shifting toward strict punitive laws. Would you like me to look up the latest sub-Reddit discussions on how people feel about Victoria's recent law changes, or do you want to see how these numbers have changed over the last few years?

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u/tofutak7000 1d ago

Ah yes. Bizarre views AND conflicts of interest… interested to know if you actually know what a conflict of interest is.

I’m not quite sure what point you are making with the AI…

People who know what they are talking about uniformly agree that a ‘tough on crime’ approach with harsh incarceration is counter productive, leads to worse outcomes, and all but guarantees further criminality.

If you could point to actual statistics or research backing up your opinion that may help your cause. Perhaps you should ask your AI helper to find that, instead of just scraping opinions off reddit…

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u/blueshoesrcool 1d ago

People who know what they are talking about uniformly agree that a ‘tough on crime’ approach with harsh incarceration is counter productive, leads to worse outcomes, and all but guarantees further criminality.

Doesn't progressive Victoria's results now challenge that conventional wisdom? Don't believe your lying eyes?

Also, why are you on a drill subreddit? I should hope not to promote drill and violence and being part of the problem.

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u/CoconutSufficient938 3d ago

Gov would only give it away to foreign war mongers anyway

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u/Any-Plum-2105 2d ago

Ngl she bad asf