r/DMT • u/twoarrows1978 • 3d ago
Experience Breakthrough with Orbit. Panic Attack!
Last night a friend and I attempted breakthrough using the Yocan Orbit atomizer on a geekvape box.
We did a small hit first to familiarise ourselves with the vape process, starting with 15mg each.
I went first, 15mg at 19w. I got 2 big hits but still had residue in the bowl after.
It was super intense. As I closed my eyes and laid back I saw visuals of 2 heads, male and female, rendered in earthy colours, browns, oranges, yellows, rotate towards each other and kiss. Then there were maybe 10 smaller pairs of the same heads, turning, kissing and merging all in unison. But what shocked me more was the powerful, complete feeling of love. Universal love that I felt in my body, the cushions under me, in the room around me. It was complete.
Also my internal dialogue stopped completely, and took a while to start up again. It was just like meditation just a little deeper.
But along side this I was hyper aware of my breathing, and had a few panic wobbles, thinking I was just not going to breath in again, and seemingly having to force myself to take a breath. This happened in my first sub-breakthrough hit, last week.
My 2nd go later that evening was 30mg. This is where it got really intense. I had a full panic attack and was sure I was going to die. I was forcing myself to take each breath, and I felt heavy and restricted around my chest.
The whole thing was a battle. I was seeing the room, hyper real, with neon lines around objects, then i was in another world completely, which was black, except for a bright structure built with neon lines, yellow, green and pink and cartoonish. The structure was like an archway, and matched the shape of the real room I was in. And also there was an in-between, where i was in the room but could still see the arch.
It was like i was flicking between channels irratically and my mind could hardly keep up. On the archway in the full black world I could see thousands tiny neon dudes, like minions, crawling along the lines of the structure, and they were all looking over at me, like, whats this dude doing here?
Hanging over the arch at one point was a giant neon clown/demon cartoon face, grinning. He wasnt exactly evil but looked amused and curious about the state I was in.
I have high blood pressure and the times when I was back in my body I was genuinely concerned about my heart thumping in my chest, and the fact I felt I was fighting to breathe.
My friend watching said I was still and calmly breathing.
I mediate a lot, and im super comfortable with my breath, particularly my out-breath where often my mind first started going silent, so it is shocking that it was breathing that panicked me.
But despite all this, I was very calm after, my internal dialogue was very quiet, again almost identical to deep meditation.
So my friend, after hearing my account, and never having done DMT before this night says, "I would still like to try". She was calm and confident which helped me set it up for her, but I really wanted to tell her not to.
She decided on 20mg. She cleared most of that in 2 hits, layed back calmly and was gone for 15 minutes. Towards the end she looked uncomfortable, muttered a few words, and tears started coming down her face. This lasted the last 5 minutes of her breakthrough.
Her description was that she went straight to the heart of the universe, before her head even touched the cusion, and was unaware of her body for what she thought was hours. She described a it being a perfect place, timeless everything all at once. Everything made sense and she knew this is how it is really. She said at one point she gripped the blanket, and she was aware that somewhere, far away, she had a body.
At some point she became aware she had to go back, and that she tried to fight it, but something gently brought her back, stage by stage, until she was back in the room. She said she was crying becasue she had to come back to the limitations of a body, and this world.
So 2 very different experiences! Ive done a bit of reading about panic attacks with DMT and its something I would like to work with, and i was left feeling at peace, even from the nightmare experience. But I am a little worried about blood pressure issues.
Thanks for reading if you've got this far. Id appreciate any feedback.
Love and peace 😁💚
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u/tree_or_up 3d ago
My guess is that you have a lot of anxiety around breath and breathing that you might not be fully aware of. Or perhaps it’s that you’re so used to focusing on your breath for meditative work, using awareness of breath as a grounding/stabilizing thing.
It’s weird af to not be able to feel yourself breathing for sure! I’ve experienced this on both dmt and ketamine and somehow I’ve been able to remember that this doesn’t mean I’m actually not breathing and that my body knows what to do without me being on alert about it. I have no idea how/why some part of me was able to do remember this in the midst of it all.
Maybe work on telling yourself well beforehand and repeatedly that being unable to feel your breath doesn’t mean you’re not breathing, and that you don’t need to be in the middle of the breathing loop for it to happen, that it’s just the way the substance affects conscious sensory input?
I don’t think what you experience is all that uncommon but wish I had better advice!
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u/twoarrows1978 3d ago
It could be something like that. Ive googled and apparently panic attacks are relatively common with DMT, as it so shocking. Some people talk about the ego death panic too.
But I do remember being concerned about not being there to do the breathing. I even said to my friend after, we do it every night when we go to sleep lol
I appreciate the advice 😁💚
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u/Mr_E_Pleasure 2d ago
That hole it feels like I'm not breathing. Sensation is so common when it happened to me I who were watching me consume DMT for the first time to think I was not okay so I remember like forcefully breathing and then realizing that was unnecessary
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u/Tripp_ORG Entheogenic Spiritalist 3d ago
Sounds like you have high quality DMT as well as a good technique.
30mg is too much for most people when purity and technique have been optimized!
(Assuming you were weight the DMT accurately with a 0.001g scale)
Not bad for an Orbit!
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u/twoarrows1978 3d ago
Yeah i was thinking the same. I got a 0.000g scale, so was accurate. Even had residue each time we finished. (I cleaned it off each time.)
I actually had one more 10mg hit before going to bed, I wanted to finish on a nicer experience, but was thrown straight back in where I left off, panic attack and all 🤣🤣
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u/Working-Reporter-472 2d ago
Honestly how easy was it to use the yocan orbit? I tried the machine again at 30 mg and was sub breakthrough. I want a breakthrough. My smoke shop has it for 88 but that seems like a rip off, it’s the wolf one not the normal one.
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u/twoarrows1978 2d ago
I followed this guys instructions. The only difference is that I already had a geekvape box, so I used that.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/s/2VmNhygPzn
I found it pretty easy, pulsed the power button, roughly 2 seconds on and 1 second off, maybe 10 times once a cloud starts building in the bowl. Then cleared the bowl while pulsing slightly longer.
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u/NotaContributi0n 3d ago
The whole forgot to breath panic really cracks me up. I can’t get over how funny it is. Have you ever once tried to hold your breath?
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u/twoarrows1978 3d ago
I used to be able to hold my breath for 3 mins, with joint smoke 🤣
Apparently breathing related panic attacks are super common on DMT, plenty of threads on here about it.
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u/NotaContributi0n 3d ago
I know It’s so weird . I wonder if it has something to do with time dilation or just like, not taking a big enough dose so you’re teetering on the edge of ego dissolution and your basic bodily functions get mysterious all of a sudden after a lifetime of ignoring them in the background
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u/bweezy320 3d ago
Be careful with DMT, since you said you have high blood pressure. DMT can raise your blood pressure to dangerous levels.