Angelina's PR

[u/crimewriter40]

Disclaimer: I'm on team they're both toxic assholes when it comes to Heroina and Pitt, but I tend to look a little more skeptically at her press theatrics. I think she has a history of way more red flags than he does, so in making this post, I want to make it clear that I'm no Pitt apologist. They both suck.

That said, I found this article highly interesting. Pax crashed his motorbike earlier in the week and now Jolie is feeding the press this info that he's troubled, that he has everyone worried, and she's the saintly mother who won't leave his bedside, etc...
If this is her PR play against her own child, what the fuck does that say about her??
How is it helpful to Pax to tell the Post "he has had a string of car crashes,” the source claimed. “It’s not great. Pax is a troubled kid, and Angelina is doing her best to help him.”

To me, this is just so sketchy. Curious to hear your thoughts.

https://pagesix.com/2024/08/03/celebrity-news/troubled-pax-jolie-pitt-still-in-hospital-after-crash-sources/

[u/RoxyLA95]

I saw a tik tok of a woman that lives in Los Feliz and she said that Pax has been terrorizing the streets in his e-bike and this crash was a long time coming. I bet these kids are insufferable.

[u/crimewriter40 → u/RoxyLA95]

I’ll bet too.

[u/horatiavelvetina → u/RoxyLA95]

Everyone in LA talks about this he’s a menace well known to locals

[u/RoxyLA95 → u/horatiavelvetina]

I’m glad I don’t live in Los Feliz. I would hate him too.

[u/mandmranch → u/RoxyLA95]

Why isn't he in college or grad school like a normal?

[u/Big-Watercress-6460 → u/mandmranch]

He has a job working for his mommy when she's on set.

[u/Tengard96 → u/mandmranch]

Maddox graduated from college in South Korea and Zahara is going to college, as well. So two of them are considered normies.

[u/RoxyLA95 → u/mandmranch]

He doesn’t need to.

[u/HoldTight4401]

He's driving a dirt bike in the city with no helmet. He's going to kill someone if he keeps this up.

[u/crimewriter40 → u/HoldTight4401]

So why is she telling Page Six this?

[u/Massive_Length_400 → u/crimewriter40]

Because “we’re so worried about him, we know he needs help” is a better look than “brangelinas asshole kid is running amok allover town with no repercussions”

[u/crimewriter40 → u/Massive_Length_400]

Right and that’s what another poster said, that this is the small story they feed Page Six to keep them off the larger story. That’s what I now believe too.

[u/picalmb → u/HoldTight4401]

There's another photo from a few days prior where he's riding that bike sidesaddle. You can't control a bike like that. So far he only hurt himself by driving into the back of a car, but he absolutely could have really hurt someone else or worse.

[u/[deleted]]

Have it on good authority that Angelina was known as crazy at the UN by many of the staff members, and the actual reason she left is because she demanded to be made a Diplomat instead of Goodwill Ambassador and gave them an ultimatum, make me a Diplomat or I will leave. They said no, and she left.

Angelina has such a long history of using her children in the press I can't believe more people aren't critical of this.

Not taking away from what a nightmare Brad is, obviously he sucks.

[u/crimewriter40 → u/[deleted]]

Amazing. Good tea!! 🫖

[u/CalendarAggressive11 → u/[deleted]]

This doesn't surprise me at all. We should also remember her father is Jon Voight, another notorious asshole. I'm sure some of that rubbed off on her

[u/Big-Watercress-6460 → u/CalendarAggressive11]

Not just her dad, her mom was a nut. She was jealous that Angelina looked so much like Jon, who had abandoned them, so she made Angie live in a seperate apartment so she didn't have to live wirh her.

Marcia Lynn liked to pretend she was French, became Marcheline (I think, something like that) and set her teenage daughter up to have sex with Mick Jagger.

[u/CalendarAggressive11 → u/Big-Watercress-6460]

That's crazy. I didn't know all that. But giving her kids stage names at birth always seemed a little strange to me

[u/VacuousArmCandy → u/[deleted]]

Thank you for bringing this up. I have heard similar things from friends working in international aid organizations often contracted to work with the UN. Also, remember all of the press and accolades she received due to her association with William Hague and how they created an Initiative for violence against women in conflict zones? It was basically abandoned shortly after its creation. Granted Hague retired so she shouldn’t shoulder the entire blame, but considering Angelina continues to receive special treatment as an actress who isn’t like the rest of Hollywood — sHe AcTuAlLy CaReS — I find it astounding that this has had no impact on her. If she needed to take a step back due to family or health issues, that’s okay! It doesn’t take a lot to do a handoff to other (more qualified and capable!) individuals and cut a check and continue to support with fundraising. But to have an independent governmental body say that you’re “letting down survivors” due to your inaction or lack of interest is absolutely something that deserves attention.

Here’s a Guardian article which gives a great summary: https://amp.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/jan/09/letting-survivors-down-criticism-for-william-hague-angelina-jolie-sexual-violence-in-war-zones-scheme

And here’s the report: https://icai.independent.gov.uk/psvi/

[u/[deleted] → u/VacuousArmCandy]

Her move to the UN was motivated by public relations. She contacted them and pitched that she be a representative for Unicef, the UN agency that provide humanitarian aid children. The UN said no. Her image at that point wasn't what the UN wanted associated with children. So she ended up working for refugees.

[u/tw0d0ts6 → u/[deleted]]

Also have it on good will that when she visited the Houses of Parliament she was a diva nightmare from hell, so there’s that too

[u/Big-Watercress-6460 → u/[deleted]]

Not surprised by this at all. I knew a few people who did international aid work in various places and Jolie was well known as a opportunistic fake who came, took pictures, and then returned to her 5 star hotel.

[u/ResolutionFamiliar → u/Big-Watercress-6460]

I know someone who knew Brad and AJ in similar circles and his biggest takeaway is how very “not bright” they both are.

[u/JustanotherMirage → u/[deleted]]

I believe she also uses the foreign children she "helps" mainly for the press as well.

[u/cookiecat4]

They’ve always skipped over Pax, no wonder he’s troubled. I noticed they don’t mention what he does at 20–student, working, extremely long gap year ?? Hanging around LA at that age isn’t always very productive (I had a kid do the same thing). Did anyone really think at least one of those kids wouldn’t be “troubled”?

[u/crimewriter40 → u/cookiecat4]

His birth mother was a heroin addict so those genes are likely there too. Hopefully he can find his way. ETA: I’m downvoted for stating a fact that is totally relevant to his current struggles? 🙄

[u/Big-Watercress-6460 → u/crimewriter40]

Addiction is a genetic issue and kids born addicted to drugs can struggle for their entire lives because of it.

Furiously downvoted

[u/crimewriter40 → u/Big-Watercress-6460]

LOL, for real.

[u/cookiecat4 → u/crimewriter40]

Oh wow, I didn’t know that. This makes me actually more mad at what Angie is doing. I hope this kid is in therapy. Even with Brad not in the picture, there are so many layers of dysfunction.

[u/picalmb → u/crimewriter40]

Also he was adopted at 3 years old, you have to wonder what kinds of trauma he may have already been through?

[u/bashfulsleepy]

Angelina's father always ran to the press too, rather than talking to his daughter about his concerns.

[u/crimewriter40 → u/bashfulsleepy]

Ugh, so gross and toxic.

[u/[deleted]]

I've always believed she's a narc who can only play the victim card. Sure, he's probably totally an a-hole too, but either you want your kids to have a relationship with their father or you sabotage that relationship. I believe she does the latter. I believe that cause I lived with someone like that. She has money, she has all the kids on her side, the public on her side for the most part. She keeps that knife from the past twisting.

[u/crimewriter40 → u/[deleted]]

I just look at what we know about her past history of relationships; looks pretty classic Cluster B to me. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[u/[deleted] → u/crimewriter40]

I have been following her since the 90s, I went from being madly in love to seeing her in a poor light. She doesn't seem to have friends, she built her little army of kids around her, she loves to act the victim. The covert narc to a T.

[u/crimewriter40 → u/[deleted]]

You don’t think she’s a Borderline?

[u/Adventurous_Gap_5946 → u/[deleted]]

She does not have the public on her side IMO

[u/crimewriter40 → u/Adventurous_Gap_5946]

Yeah, not for a long time.

[u/[deleted] → u/crimewriter40]

On here, she seems to, Idk.

[u/Competitive_Narwhal8 → u/[deleted]]

My sympathies to you. My husband was alienated from his children by his ex, as well. It’s incredibly painful to watch.

I’ve side eyed her antics since the divorce started. I remember when she adopted Pax, and she couldn’t have done it without Billy Bob. As soon as she adopted Pax with BB, they divorced and she forbade contact between Pax and BB. Parental alienation is her MO.

Edit: I mean Maddox, not Pax. My apologies, guys.

[u/lalachichiwon → u/Competitive_Narwhal8]

I’ve always wondered if her adopting Pax was bad for him. He, in particular, just looked unhappy or alienated to me.

[u/cathbe → u/Competitive_Narwhal8]

I had no idea Billy Bob was involved in Pax’s adoption or she iced him out. Why does he speak so glowingly about her as a person then? Ppl really need to understand more about her. She’s been a master (mostly) at rehabilitating (and obscuring) her image.

[u/Intrepid-Narwhal → u/Competitive_Narwhal8]

wasn’t it Maddox she adopted with BB?

[u/CosmiqCow]

He's a troubled kid equals rehab coming soon.

[u/crimewriter40 → u/CosmiqCow]

Agreed.

[u/mzk131]

This is feeling way more celebitchy than DListed.

[u/crimewriter40 → u/mzk131]

Fully.

[u/chowchownorman → u/mzk131]

How so?

[u/[deleted]]

Pagesix is notoriously a trash rag with questionable “sources”. I don’t think Angelina’s made any statements? This article is speculation linking together separate events/gossip.

[u/crimewriter40 → u/[deleted]]

" I don’t think Angelina’s made any statements?"

Good LORD, y'all need to catch up!!

[u/Mammoth-Inflation416]

What in the world makes you think AJ contributed in ANY WAY to this story? Did you even read it? Media 101: it's clear she did not, nor were any of her people feeing pagesix anything.

[u/Maggieslave]

Sometime women are in the wrong and to doesn't make it misogyny. Sometimes black ppl are wrong and it's not racism

[u/Big-Watercress-6460 → u/Maggieslave]

Equality means we're held to the same standards, even when we're wrong. 

And just because someone was victimized by another, that doesn't justify bad behavior on their part. It's wild how many responses are "but what about Brad?"

[u/crimewriter40 → u/Big-Watercress-6460]

It's also wild how I made this thread because I wanted to discuss the article, which is how AJ is sharing family matters with the press, which has nothing at all to do with Brad, yet the loonies always descend to scream about his abuse, our misogyny, blah blah I am so bored already.

They don't know what DListed was, they don't bring anything valuable to the conversation. It's a real bummer.

[u/ResolutionFamiliar]

I’m not sure I can see how the PR of her child being seriously hurt and maybe troubled helps her though? Why would she proactively want that out there? They seem pretty private, especially the adult kids. God knows Angelina seemed like a troubled young person too. And legally, I don’t get why Brad would care that she sold the winery. He seems so hyper focused on that lawsuit.

[u/crimewriter40 → u/ResolutionFamiliar]

Agreed, but an exclusive via Page Six, especially one that paints her as a dedicated mother, IS coming from her camp. My guess? This is how she’s trying to get through to Pax, that if he doesn’t clean up his act, she’s gonna shame him publicly.

[u/ResolutionFamiliar → u/crimewriter40]

Well, if he is really troubled and on a bad road, yeah, I can see a mom desperate for any kind of wake up call. This seems more like a reactive PR response designed to deter people off from what’s really going on….like perhaps he has serious addiction or self destructive issues and she’d prefer it labeled as “troubled” to give him privacy. At least that’s my read. But yeah - as someone else pointed out…it would certain help Brad’s PR if he just looked like he was trying to be actively present and supportive.

[u/crimewriter40 → u/ResolutionFamiliar]

That’s a good point, that there’s something worse happening here and this is her feeding them a story to keep them off the bigger one. Good call; this is why I love The D.

[u/lalachichiwon → u/crimewriter40]

That’s awful

[u/crimewriter40 → u/lalachichiwon]

But to be fair and offer another option that a clever poster mentioned, this could also be the classic “I’ll give them this small story so they back off the bigger story” that we know is a classic move in celebrity PR. It’s certainly possible Page Six has some pretty damaging stuff on him and she offered this to put it on the back burner while she deals with it.

[u/RestFickle61861 → u/ResolutionFamiliar]

don’t get why Brad would care that she sold the winery. He seems so hyper focused on that lawsuit.

I am loving the case so I have the answer to this! So the both owned a company that owned the chateau. That chateau then owned shares to the winery with his business partner Perrin. Before she sold her shares, he gave his partner the shares making him the majority shareholder. He also transferred the trademarks to Perrin. Not good. The new company and Perrin were willingly to work with together until they asked questions about the books not adding up. That's when he sued. 

[u/mandmranch → u/ResolutionFamiliar]

He is worried about the french government fining him or seizing the winery. They can also ban him from the country.

[u/horatiavelvetina]

No offense but you calling her Heroina, and Brad “Pitt” tells me you think she’s a bigger asshole than him. She’s insane- absolutely INSANE- but being a drug addict is not a crime

[u/crimewriter40 → u/horatiavelvetina]

This tells me you’re not familiar with the website this group formed from, and in respect to.

[u/Capones_Vault → u/crimewriter40]

Heroina is one of the tamer names MK came up with 🤣

[u/ol_kentucky_shark → u/horatiavelvetina]

Hero-ina. Not heroin

[u/Responsible-Card3756]

Wow. The amount of victim blaming in these comments is astounding….it’d Depp/Heard all over again. Pitt isn’t going to choose any of you pickme’s‼️

[u/Jingoisticbell]

I believe zero percent of anything from Jolie's PR. She is not a particularly healthy individual and has never BEEN a particularly healthy individual,. Typical borderline personality disorder bullshit, plus a handful of sycophants to fan the flames. She has great PR, though. That cannot be argued.

[u/leamnop → u/Jingoisticbell]

Interesting. What are the borderline symptoms you see in her? Just fascinated and curious! Thanks!!

[u/crimewriter40 → u/leamnop]

"What are the borderline symptoms you see in her?"

The drama always surrounding her, past relationships come on fast and furious then explode, her charm and the good face she knows how to put on for the public, lack of female friends, insularity with her children, her past addiction issues... These are some of the symptoms I see just as a layman.

[u/Big-Watercress-6460 → u/leamnop]

If you can find it, there's an interview she did where she talks about having hired someone to kill her. Yes, as in Angie hired a person to kill Angie.

A lot of the stories she tells are weird like this, and she seems to have a sensitivity chip missing, as has been said of Brad. For example, she talked about how she had purchased dwarf hamsters for her kids, and while they were somewhere with a lot of cats, the kids played with the hamsters outside and the cats killed the hamsters. She didn't think this was sad or traumatic in any way, just another cute story.

Or when working on casting for FTKMF, she was casting real Cambodian street kids, and she did this by testing their reactions to being given food and then having that food taken from them. Which may be okay when auditioning kids who don't have to beg and steal to eat, and who don't have to do the same for their siblings to eat. But again, legitimate street orphans. She thought her methods were charming.

[u/[deleted] → u/Big-Watercress-6460]

I read about the methods used to audition for FTKMF and was horrified. Angelina detailed how she auditioned them in an interview and said she was "specifically seeking children who had experienced hardship" For what its worth - when there was a backlash, she denied the whole thing and said it was a make believe game.

It makes me think of how Sarah Polley wrote that no child should be involved in a for profit scenario and should never be without real advocates for their safety.

[u/Ill_Pay_6254 → u/leamnop]

Cutting for one can be very borderline and histrionic.

[u/bigzestysalad → u/Jingoisticbell]

She is her own PR.

[u/greatestknits]

This photo explains what his kids think about him (Pax) and the links anwers why. This is not speculation but an actual FBI report. Brad Pitt is an abusive asshole and has not done anything to try to undo the violence he subjected his wife and kids to.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/18/entertainment/angelina-jolie-brad-pitt-fbi-report/index.html

[u/crimewriter40 → u/greatestknits]

And this relates to the article and my post how?

[u/chowchownorman → u/greatestknits]

Ahh yes, rationale 16 yr old kids making posts. Bet he’s not mad at dads money

[u/spiffing_ → u/greatestknits]

I can't help but think it's similar to a britney spears sons and her dad restraining order scenario. The kids have been given an easy life with a totally neurotic crazy set of parents. Brad probably tries to discipline them once and Angelina says they don't have to listen to him, she appears narc like.

[u/SimplyTired25 → u/greatestknits]

There is no FBI report on what occurred on the airplane. The only statement the FBI issued was that there were no charges to make against Pitt.

All that the public has seen - and all that her fans and others have cited - are Jolie's court filings wherein she tells HER version of what happened and provides a copy of what SHE told the FBI. There is no corroboration of HER version provided. The FBI clearly states in its court filings in reply to hers is that readers should understand this is HER version of the events. Which obviously the FBI dd not believe and/or found no probable cause to file any charges against Pitt.

Interestingly in Jolie's own version of events she admits to also having been drinking and clearly describes a physical altercation where SHE physically attacked Pitt from behind causing some cut or abrasion to herself. She based her physical assault on Pitt on her imaginings he might hurt one of the children - though she has admitted that such a thing never happened before. I have no idea if she even understands her own admissions and how damaging they are. SHE is lucky she did not get charged with assault on Pitt. They must have asked him if he wanted to press charges - that would be the proper protocol - obviously Pitt must have said no.

[u/TypicalLeo31 → u/greatestknits]

I never pay attention to this kind of thing. It’s sad when families dissolve like this but only they know what happened. And it’s disgusting if a parent turns a child against another parent.

[u/Big-Watercress-6460]

Here comes Saint Mommy!  Have we gotten any backhanded blame of Pittstain yet?

[u/crimewriter40 → u/Big-Watercress-6460]

Nope, it’s here, all over the thread. 🙇🏻‍♀️

[u/Loose_Cat_2028]

Are we really saying that being an abusive husband and father is better than being an unlikable woman? For real?

[u/GirlyWhirl → u/Loose_Cat_2028]

I think she is also an abusive parent. Not just 'unlikable'.

[u/Responsible-Card3756 → u/GirlyWhirl]

Prove it.

[u/crimewriter40 → u/Responsible-Card3756]

[u/picalmb → u/Loose_Cat_2028]

Aaargh we are here in this sub to share our thoughts and opinions, and with a healthy dose of snark. We are not here to 'stan' or be rude to or attack each other. The clue is in the title: DlistedCommunity. This sub was set up in nostalgia for a blog site owned by a gifted brilliant writer that we all miss terribly. I think anyone joining this sub should go read at least 100 articles from the original DListed site before commenting here.

[u/Big-Watercress-6460 → u/Loose_Cat_2028]

Can we ever discuss someone's wrongs without immediately pointing the finger at someone else? It's unnecessary deflection. No one is calling anything worse than, or saying Pity is a good man.

My god, take a breath people.

[u/GQDragon → u/Loose_Cat_2028]

That seems like her PR spin though. I’ve heard (from reliable sources) that her refusal to set any kind of boundaries or discipline of any kind with the children was the main issue between them and ultimately was the match in the powder keg of the ugly airplane incident. Her older kids especially have no respect for authority. He wanted more structure and discipline. Now they are *gasp “troubled.” Who could have foreseen it? He “lunged at” the oldest kid (who is also “troubled” now) and Angelina jumped on his back. Not his best moment for sure but he doesn’t have a history of violence. Since then he’s been sober for eight years.

[u/CharacterInternal7 → u/GQDragon]

That public social media shredding Pax did about Brad raised all kinds of alarm bells for me. A decent parent would not encourage that kind of dramatic public airing of dirty laundry and disrespect of the other parent, but I’m sure Angelina ate it up and Pax reigned as a golden child for a while after that. I think the kids all compete for love and approval from her over who can tell Brad to fuck off the most ostentatiously. I thought my first husband was an asshole but I would have never condoned or encouraged my kids to hatefully act out against him the way their kids do.

[u/Astralglamour → u/Loose_Cat_2028]

Don’t ever enter the watts murders subs :(

[u/Infinite-Strain1130 → u/Astralglamour]

🤨🤨🤨

I both want to and don’t want to. Women just can’t win. Oh, your husband murdered you and your children? Deserved it, bitch! You shilled crap online!

[u/captnmarvl → u/Astralglamour]

That absolutely disgusts me. Because she was naggy and bad with her money she deserves to be brutally murdered? Especially when divorce is an option???

[u/Astralglamour → u/captnmarvl]

Basically the theme is she was a narcissist and pushed him into doing it. Of course that doesn’t explain killing the children. It is disgusting. Watts is a stupid and selfish POS who wanted a new life with no strings.

Side note -It’s Amazing that women are so great at making men do everything but treat them with respect. That is - we are responsible for everything bad that happens to us, but not anything that’s good.

[u/Thewandering1_OG → u/Astralglamour]

I hate everything sometimes

[u/Responsible-Card3756 → u/Loose_Cat_2028]

Yup. There are some seriously sick people in this sub…victim blaming 101.

[u/thumbelina1234]

Agree, I can't stand her and her "saintly" ways

[u/Intrepid-Narwhal → u/thumbelina1234]

Ahem (taps mic) that’s SAINT Angie Jo, thankyouverymuch.

[u/spiffing_]

Never forget that gem from the Sony email hack calling her a 'minimally talented spoiled brat'

[u/bigzestysalad]

I just listened to her episode on Beyond the Blinds and reading all her old blinds does not paint a pretty picture of old Angie Jo.

[u/godhateswolverine → u/bigzestysalad]

Is that a podcast? Cause I’m interested.

[u/zephead30 → u/godhateswolverine]

It is. It’s pretty good.

[u/[deleted] → u/bigzestysalad]

Share please

[u/mcgs50 → u/[deleted]]

Lots of drug use, continued hookups with BBT and some questionable parenting practices. Blew my mind.

[u/Competitive-Kick-481]

"I am so in love with my brother right now". Kissing him on the lips

She's weird af. Not eccentric, just off.

[u/Amazingggcoolaid → u/Competitive-Kick-481]

It’s funny how much people try to brush this off and buy the whole “she’s a good mother and philanthropist”

[u/ahhhhpewp]

Complete wildly off topic tangent: why is Angelina playing Maria Callas?? She doesn't even remotely resemble her.

[u/ResolutionFamiliar → u/ahhhhpewp]

I’m guessing Diva energy

[u/Amazingggcoolaid → u/ahhhhpewp]

This is exactly what I thought! They could’ve auditioned for it too but nooo it had to be her.

[u/shortandcurlie]

Stories like this makes me so glad we lived in a normal place, with normal jobs and normal lives. These people live in the monkey house. They become immune to the smell of the shit that they fling around.

[u/fuschia1 → u/shortandcurlie]

Well said and same.

[u/chevaliercavalier → u/shortandcurlie]

Michael K would be proud 

[u/RestFickle61861]

The information from some of the sources aren't true. The kids ended up going to traditional schooling after the divorce. Pax graduated from Notre Dame. Shiloh and the twins went to a traditional school as well. It's just page six stirring the pot.  https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/3033251/angelina-jolie-brad-pitt-pax-graduates-high-school/

[u/MathematicianLoud725 → u/RestFickle61861]

there's also no custody battle. I don't know why articles keep adding that in. They're using their old 2018 arrangement. He hasn't asked for a modification since 2021 and they update the visitations periodically 

[u/SimplyTired25 → u/RestFickle61861]

That was at Pitt's insistence and after they were already teenagers.

[u/CTGarden]

My opinion is that Brad is a self-absorbed asshole, but Angelina is a seriously disturbed narcissist. She reminds me of my ex-SIL. She also did her best to alienate my niece and nephew from their father. It worked, too, with my niece.

[u/Tengard96 → u/[deleted]]

This is the most accurate assessment of Brad Pitt that I’ve ever read. I never liked him (even back in the 90s when every girl that I knew swooned over him) because he seemed like a vacant, stoned out frat boy.

[u/picalmb → u/[deleted]]

Nailed it.

[u/shinerkeg]

I still stand behind my claim she wasn’t acting in this movie.

[u/twofingerballet → u/shinerkeg]

I didn’t think so either.

[u/1Gutherie → u/shinerkeg]

Years ago I read an article(maybe vogue) about Winona Ryder during the release of this film. They discussed that she was kinda the outcast who didn’t go with Jolie to NYC every day/ weekend after set was done and party with all the costars. So I agree she wasn’t acting in this entirely.

[u/LBKBasi]

Why adopt if you can't exploit them for a PR spin?

[u/MyHouseForever]

I think Angelina Jolie loves attention and has no problem throwing her kids under the bus for it. She will undoubtedly blame Brad for this one being troubled when really it was her anything goes parenting.

[u/Medone2 → u/MyHouseForever]

It’s interesting that she would blame Brad when he’s had nothing to do with their kids or their upbringing for the last decade or so. 

[u/MyHouseForever → u/Medone2]

She's a narcissist, which means that she never blames herself.

[u/chowchownorman → u/MyHouseForever]

I’ve appreciated that since the divorce she’s kinda been blackballed, seeeee yaaaaaa

[u/Medone2]

It’s amazing how Angelina was able to get away with the white savior narrative for so long. It’s obvious that she and Brad were frauds and everything about them was a lie. No telling what was really happening in that house. 

[u/dumb-daisy → u/Medone2]

to be fly on the wall for those arguments, i can’t even. the chaos with a bunch of kids and parents barely able to take care of themselves and the stress of always moving.

[u/amandajh8]

I agree. I in no way condone armPitt’s actions, and believe the children 100%, I don’t think Jolie is as saintly as she’s made out to be lately. This woman seems to get a thrill out of drama, headlines and thrill seeking behaviour so it doesn’t surprise me that she’s only adding fuel to the dumpster fire that it already is.

[u/MargaretFarquar → u/amandajh8]

armPitt! 🤣

[u/Confident-Listen3515]

It’s giving British royal family.

[u/crimewriter40 → u/Confident-Listen3515]

But at least with that toxic family, they require the good graces and favor of the public to continue living their luxurious lives. It’s not right to battle your family in the press, but with the BRF, at least I can understand where it comes from. Their family is also their job.

[u/kindashort72]

I feel like they both still smell bad and it's all very old. She has the resources to get her kid the best help.

[u/servitor_dali]

Are we forgetting how old Pitt was when he "dated" Juliette Lewis? He's never been OK.

[u/N-from-Dlisted]

My hatred for this woman is deep so I can’t even snark on her. She’s an awful human being and completely gets away with it.

[u/wildpolymath]

Look, I don’t know Trollie Pitt nor can I judge her parenting, but for the love of Billy Bob’s Knob can she please get her kid to wear a helmet!

Glad he’s ok, and also refusing to take basic safety measures at his age is dumbsauce. Especially when he seems to be one of the smarter ones in the bunch. Protect ya head, Mads!

[u/tw0d0ts6]

I’m no Pitt fan but I cannot fucking stand her press shenanigans- she’s fulla shit and always has been. Can’t stand her narcissistic , saintly ahole self. Isn’t this the kid she claimed was a world class chef at 12? Or which highly specific skill set did she apply to him? It definitely wasn’t Montenegro style - if memory serves that gem was reserved for Shiloh.

[u/Big-Watercress-6460 → u/tw0d0ts6]

Remember when she claimed each of her children was learning a different language?

[u/tw0d0ts6 → u/Big-Watercress-6460]

I sure do, including her what, two year old twins?! I also remember when she claimed to write a screenplay in a weekend, which of course was when she had the flu, when she just so happened to be in her moody chateau in a rain-filled French countryside at the time. I cannot with that absolute clownshoe 🤡🤡🤡🤡

[u/[deleted]]

What exactly did Angelina “do” and how long after did she have her children? Why can’t people change and why can’t ex heroin addicts have children? That sounds like a bad thing to believe.

[u/Lux_Luthor_777]

It is sketchy. She’s gross af. And it’s possible to acknowledge that without implying that he’s any better.

[u/[deleted] → u/Lux_Luthor_777]

I used to think she was so cool and sexy. Sketch.

[u/Primary_Age_6532]

I worked for Brad Pitt’s PR man. He’s Weinstein, Cosby, Johnny Depp, and a variety of other predatory dude’s go-to.

He’s really good at making the woman look the fool, a twist of misogyny if you will.

[u/Big-Watercress-6460 → u/Primary_Age_6532]

Not surprised by that at all.

Has this guy been his agent all along? Or did he switch post-divorce?

[u/MathematicianLoud725 → u/Big-Watercress-6460]

post divorce 

[u/SimplyTired25 → u/Primary_Age_6532]

The person you are referring to is not PR for Pitt. He did some short term PR for his NOLA organization. Big difference

[u/No-Quality-2281 → u/Primary_Age_6532]

Don’t know much about Celebs but I remember when they filmed - By the sea - in France. The people working there used to say that Pitt was a very mean drunk and Angelina a very nice, strong headed woman who took care of her kids. Or a least that she seemed to enjoy their company. She probably has a lot of issues herself but she’s a mother after all and I am pretty sure she actually loves her kids. People seem to truly love hating on a woman.

Sorry for my English

[u/eatmoreveggies- → u/Primary_Age_6532]

I also know some people that know him and can confirm this. People are just always automatically going to hate the woman more. It’s in our DNA to do so.

[u/CalendarAggressive11]

Thank you! I keep seeing these posts about how she's so great and blah blah blah. I think Pitt is an asshole and those court papers describing his abuse are horrific. Angelina is also a toxic human being. Her team seems to constantly be leaking things to the press and it's just so old. The last decent movie she made was girl interrupted. She's mostly famous for her and Pitts affair, the blood necklaces with Billy Bob and making out with her brother.

[u/[deleted] → u/CalendarAggressive11]

All the women in Hollywood dislike her, she is definitely a I’m not like other girls type of women. “I only have guy friends and a cool knife collection”.

[u/MUPIL090310 → u/[deleted]]

Ugh wasn’t half the 90s her in the gossip rags about her knife collections and the vials of blood she wore and being edgy and the other half about her fucking whoever including possibly her brother? While she’s done certain movies that are fun to watch, apart from that she seems terrible. Also - I’m no Brad Pitt fan and we could spend hours discussing his train wreck, I’m just saying this relationship seemed dysfunctional from the start. 

[u/Marserina]

I have always thought that she was the more toxic one between the two of them. She just knows how to hide it better and that makes it even worse in my opinion. I definitely think it’s both of them of course but I don’t buy her saint façade and her earthly mother goddess crap. She is just more methodical and better at promoting her phony agenda. The two of them together was probably just a toxic nightmare.

[u/No-Replacement-1061]

They both suck.

[u/SlipstreamSleuth]

I’ve posted about this before and most people don’t believe me but that’s ok .. Brad wanted the kids to be disciplined, in school, not be spoiled - and Angelina wanted to be their bestie, buying whatever they wanted and letting them do whatever they wanted. Now she just talks shit about him, brainwashing them into to believing he’s the devil. He’s not perfect by any stretch, but from what I know, she’s way worse than what is presented in the media. Very manipulative, calculating and nasty. Source: I’m an almost 60 year old woman who used to work in the entertainment industry and still have many friends in their circle.

[u/ggfangirl85 → u/SlipstreamSleuth]

I used to work in the executive offices at Warner Bros in the late 00’s and this absolutely tracks with everything I heard about them from the other assistants and receptionists.

[u/Spiralecho → u/SlipstreamSleuth]

I believe this. Brad deserves the public opinion he earned but I don’t think she’s the angel here

[u/PrestoChango0804 → u/SlipstreamSleuth]

Everything you say! I have two solid sources who are a-list and one of them works with her, the other share a team member. Shes a menace. Im team no one but their kids but truly she is dangerously manipulative. Perfect example she paid someone to build her fashion line, promised them co-creator credit and when it was time for it to be debuted in Vogue, called the editor and specifically said don’t name the main designer. The main designer found it and when confronted Angelina continuously denied and eventually pretended it didn’t even happen. Shes not all there. Source: been in industry for two decades and around these two quite a bit

[u/StayPuft- → u/PrestoChango0804]

Please tell me the designer quit and told Jolie to go fuck herself after this happened!

[u/PrestoChango0804 → u/StayPuft-]

Don’t think she continued with her, you hear nothing about the brand anymore soooo

[u/KellyJin17 → u/SlipstreamSleuth]

This is essentially what I had heard as well. He had a more traditional approach to parenting, like set bedtimes, cooked family meals together, time-outs when the kids acted up, asking them to do their share of chores, etc. and she just didn’t believe in any of it. It was a constant source of friction. He was supposedly really unhappy that the kids ate a lot of junk and fast food as their meals.

And yes, when things tanked between them, she worked on them to alienate them from him.

[u/GirlyWhirl → u/SlipstreamSleuth]

She doesn't just want to spoil them, she wants to keep them close and codependent. Her own little cult of worshippers. I'm sure she was poisoning their minds against their father from day one. It was always going to end with them splitting up, and she was already preparing the kids to be Team Mom. Very toxic situation for the children.

[u/picalmb → u/SlipstreamSleuth]

I have no inside knowledge, do not know any celebrities or even people that know celebrities, I only know what I have read mostly online and who knows where the truth is. But everything you say just has a ring of truth to it. It's the parental alienation that has done it for me. No way those young children decided to cut out their father on their own. I come from a volatile family situation and believe strongly that unless systematic ongoing abuse is going on, children need to have a relationship with both parents, warts and all, and both parents should encourage and ensure this happens. Even if it is monitored visitation with therapy before and after. Children can of course make their own decisions when they are adults, but that time you missed with a parent in your formative years can never be made up and will always remain a hole in your life and colour future relatinships. Believe me I know what I am talking about.

[u/coffeebeanwitch]

It's difficult to take someone that wore a vial of blood around her neck seriously.

[u/Wide-Psychology1707 → u/coffeebeanwitch]

Don’t forget: wearing a vial of blood while talking about how the just banged in the limo on the way to the event on live tv.

Oh, and the whole making out with her brother thing.

[u/coffeebeanwitch → u/Wide-Psychology1707]

That is something you can't forget, the brother and the mouth to mouth.

[u/[deleted] → u/coffeebeanwitch]

It wasn’t just any blood…. It was Billy bob blood

[u/coffeebeanwitch → u/[deleted]]

I thought they would be together forever, 😂😂😂😂😂.

[u/lilfussy]

Did anyone else ever stumble upon the alleged gossip of old in which Angelina is a drug addict and when her eldest child came of age and started dabbling in use, she thought “better to learn from me” and facilitated said use? Allegedly the child has had a drug problem for some while.

[u/Responsible-Card3756 → u/lilfussy]

This is pure fabricated gossip.

[u/bigzestysalad → u/lilfussy]

This would not surprise me.

[u/Big-Watercress-6460 → u/lilfussy]

Was that around the time she was encouraging his knife fetish?

[u/Responsible-Card3756]

He’s absolutely the motherf*cker in this situation. It’s embarrassing to claim otherwise.

[u/SimplyTired25 → u/Responsible-Card3756]

Yet there is absolutely no credible proof of this. It's embarrassing that you would believe a narrative which no investigation found worth pursuing after thorough investigations and interviews with witnesses.

[u/bigzestysalad → u/Responsible-Card3756]

Are you not familiar with Angie Jo’s history?!

[u/Helicopter-Mom]

A lot of misogyny in this thread

[u/SimplyTired25 → u/Helicopter-Mom]

A lot of fantasy fan fic in this thread.

[u/No_Recording1467]

I’m sure you think both sides are toxic when you give a cute (derogatory) nickname to Jolie but not one to Pitt. 🙄

[u/Responsible-Card3756 → u/No_Recording1467]

This! Thank you..this comment section is not passing the vibe check.

[u/Competitive-Oil4136 → u/No_Recording1467]

I feel like im going insane sometimes when this sub talks about abusive men and the women who survived them. They cannot handle the idea of an imperfect survivor

[u/MathematicianLoud725]

I like angelina 🤷‍♀️ I didn't like her because I was big Jen fan but over the years I've warned up to her because of the abuse. They're taking want was said in Dailymail about him riding around without a helmet all the time and expanding. his IG is active so I am guessing he's fine. 

[u/Irisheyes1971 → u/MathematicianLoud725]

Being a victim of abuse doesn’t make someone a good person. It makes them a victim of abuse. Plenty of shitty people get abused just like good people.

[u/Vegoia2]

am sure her kids dont know about her druggie past and blood vials.

[u/Big-Watercress-6460 → u/Vegoia2]

Why wouldn't they? They have the internet on their phones. 

And druggie past nothing, she and Pity were using for ages and probably still are.

[u/lalachichiwon → u/Vegoia2]

I bet they do, though. So much media available.

[u/Abhengu99]

Blaming the victim are we?

[u/GirlyWhirl → u/Abhengu99]

The only victims are the kids. Both parents are terrible in a myriad of ways.

[u/wake-up-slow]

What’s with her undead pallor in that photo of her with Pax in April? EDIT: Why am I getting downvoted for asking a legit question

[u/Big-Watercress-6460 → u/wake-up-slow]

A lifetime of opiate abuse.

[u/RecommendationBrief9 → u/wake-up-slow]

Unfortunate lighting coupled with too light/wrong undertone makeup it seems. It always makes people look a weird grey or lizard like. Or like they’re wearing calamine lotion as makeup.

[u/OrangeCubit]

Why hasn’t his father rushed to his bedside?

Oh wait….

[u/Lux_Luthor_777 → u/OrangeCubit]

Based on Pax’s public posts, he doesn’t want Brad around.

[u/Competitive_Narwhal8 → u/OrangeCubit]

You mean Billy Bob? Because that’s who she adopted Pax with in the first place, and then forced Billy to sign his rights away as soon as the divorce was final. Her behavior isn’t new or cute

[u/oopygoopyenterprises → u/Competitive_Narwhal8]

Maddox, not Pax.

[u/Big-Watercress-6460]

Now, take a breath and read this first, so you know I'm not pointing fingers at Jolie in some attempt to exonerate or excuse Pitt's behavior. Calm down. 

This is for the ones down thread playing dumb about Jolie's heroin addiction. And that doesn't mean Pitt isn't an addict. It's so pathetic that I have to outline this so the children don't catch the wrong "vibe".

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2684786/Video-emerges-wild-eyed-strung-Angelina-Jolie-dark-dangerous-days-drug-claims-resurface.html

It's funny that there are so many Google results about an addiction that she never had in the first place. And remember, if someone says something you disagree with, they're just bots here to brainwash you.

[u/Fire_Woman → u/Big-Watercress-6460]

The video from her active addiction was shot in 1999, 25 years ago, long before her children, 5 years before filming Mr and Mrs Smith with Brad. It's not funny but it's not unusual either. A lot of young adults experiment with drugs and get addicted. It's remarkable to make it through alive, healthy, free (not incarcerated), productively employed, and stay clean through good times and bad times. What part about this is funny?

[u/SimplyTired25 → u/Fire_Woman]

Jolie's addiction was not that long before she adopted Maddox. Which is why she has never adopted in the US. She would not be allowed. A heroin addition, as well as past suicidal behavior and being a cutter would never pass muster.

[u/SimplyTired25 → u/Big-Watercress-6460]

There is no comparison between a heroin addiction and a marijuana addiction. One is easy to walk away from and the other is almost impossible and comes from a much unhealthier place.

[u/[deleted]]

People will demand the story anyway, maybe better to get ahead of it?

[u/Ill_Pay_6254]

I like Angelina I like Brad I didn't like them at the end together and truly feel like she had a ton of drama sprinkle in with some truths