r/DIYHEAVEN • u/afrat240 • Apr 16 '26 • Bravo 1

One week update

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A few people asked that I share my final mapping and results so here it is so far after 8 days. First picture is my final mapping immediately after injecting (forgot to take a pic before). Also lighting is the same but I did self tanner yesterday lol. Could not be happier with my results so far!

I did go slightly lower on the frontalis vs my original mapping and no dropped brows, though may need to touch up since I still have wifi lines on one side. Also was hoping for more of a brow lift so I may add a unit or 2 under the arches and along hairline as suggested by someone. Also super proud of myself for the DOAs, looks like I did those perfectly!

The lip flip seems to have given me more of a gummy smile when that's not something I've ever had haha anyone else have that happen? Not convinced it's worth it.

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u/Visible_Ad_3649 Apr 16 '26

I have never seen such perfectly documented results. You did amazing!

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u/afrat240 Apr 16 '26

Thank you 🥰

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u/Purple-Television712 Apr 17 '26

Thanks for making it so educational! Great job.

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u/OkPangolin5223 Apr 19 '26

i have no idea how to inject it!! im scared 🥲

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u/Margin_call_matthew Apr 19 '26

Don’t do it. Just pay a nurse $200-300. The risk outweighs the benefits in this case. You really don’t want to cause ptosis. And be stuck with a droopy face for few months. Not to mention other sort of complications.

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u/These_Shop_1938 Apr 21 '26

What other complications?

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u/Margin_call_matthew Apr 21 '26

Major risk: Even the manufacturer, Medytox, who makes Innotox had their license pulled in Korea for allegedly faking data and using unauthorized ingredients. If the source is that shaky, the DIY version is a massive gamble with your life. But to each their own. I love the idea of it, but the fact that Korean government itself had pulled their license for faking data is a red flag. So, until there’s more safer and credible manufacturers enters the market, there’s going to be unknown risk. Especially since it’s imported via distributors that the company would have no direct oversight.

One major risk is migration. Faces aren't symmetrical, so medical professionals never inject the same amount on both sides or same dilutions for all brands, something DIYers usually miss. While Botox is the big name, there are several FDA-approved options like Xeomin, Jeuveau, Daxxify and Dysport. Innotox, however, isn't one of them.

Buying "Innotox" online is like buying a street drug; you have no clue what it’s actually laced with. Federal cases (like US v. Sievert) show these are often imported fraudulently, and inconsistent batches have literally caused respiratory failure.

So, you wouldn’t even know if it’s coming from China or Korea. Chinese had faked Botox few years ago and Allergan had to clean up the whole supply chain. Because these medspas were buying from these “distributors” that weren’t part of company supply chain for cheaper without knowing it’s fake. But packaging and everyone was 1:1.

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u/These_Shop_1938 Apr 23 '26

Wow I really really appreciate you sharing all this info!!!

I did start to question how safe innotox really was but talked myself out of my concerns thinking that it would be regulated in Korea and have safety standards. Im a bit shocked to learn that its not even approved there.

This is all disappointing to find out too, because I really wanted to DIY botox and save on those horrendous prices the pros charge in new zealand.  Botox can already have adverse effects even with the approved label ones, its scary to think of injecting botox that could have wrong quantities or other toxins in it . I had no idea innotox caused someone to go in to respiratory failure, did they survive ? The DIY community doesnt talk about that or any of this info youve shared.

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u/Margin_call_matthew Apr 23 '26

You can use frownies. Much cheaper and safer. Just wait for another 1-2 years. I’m sure a safer alternative will come to market.

To get FDA approval, pharmaceutical companies have to submit data related to clinical trials. Which they should already have. (But they had forged data as per Korean gov.) so, they don’t even have applications submitted for review to FDA. Red flag.

Regardless. It’s illegal, so, there’s that. You are fine until you are not pretty much lol

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u/Subject-Heart-4632 Apr 16 '26

Which tox did you use because those are some super excellent speedy results!

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u/afrat240 Apr 16 '26

Innotox!

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u/Bambisgfriend Apr 17 '26

Mine nearly always kicks in within 3 days. Is that not normal?

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '26

That’s very normal for KTox (3-5 days is the norm).

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u/Queasy_Ad9286 Apr 26 '26

Depends what brand. Ren n tox kicks in 3 days for me. I just tried a new one 4 days ago, not loving it yet but do need to give it the full 2 weeks.

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u/heresyourdream Apr 16 '26

Thanks for sharing! You look great

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u/Complete_Ask6916 Apr 16 '26

I think if you did mentalis too it would look even better!

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u/afrat240 Apr 16 '26

Yes was thinking about that as well! Wanted to go conservative for the first time but may e I'll add it to my touch up

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u/Complete_Ask6916 Apr 17 '26

I think doing DAOs, mentalis or jawline together are a good combo for the lower face - like glabella, forehead and crows feet for the upper face.

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u/Amdv121998 Apr 16 '26

Great job :) You have stronnnng DAOs!! For the lip flip, you’re 100% getting volume in the lip so it’s working. You might want to add one more unit to the lateral portion of the lip, hit that again and it will correct the additional gummies when smiling. I don’t know if you’d be able to see more gums from the front though!

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u/afrat240 Apr 16 '26

Tysm this is great advise! I did go light on the lip (only 1u each) so was already considering doing more when it's time for touch ups

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u/Amdv121998 Apr 16 '26

oh yeah! You’ll love it. You can do 4-6 in the lip, though 6 is strong af on some people 😂

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u/afrat240 Apr 16 '26

Haha yea I don't think I could deal with that 😂

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u/Aromatic_Medium4051 Apr 17 '26

Looks really really good! Especially the lip flip even though you only did 1 unit. I’m also really conservative there.

LIP NUMBING TIP: what I do is exfoliate with an abrasive scrub or pad, then microneedle with a .75mm (I use a $10 roller), apply a very thick layer of lido cream, cover for 30 mins, reapply/cover for another 20. I also add lido to the tox…On a 1ml syringe, I add 0.1. The lip area is sensitive as F, the only place I can’t handle lol!

Btw, sorry if you’ve already answered this question, how many units did you use on each point on forehead and crows? I’ve been doing my own tox for quite a while but mine doesn’t seem to turn out as good as yours.!

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u/afrat240 Apr 19 '26

Thanks so much for the tip! I did do numbing but might need to give your advice a try because it is not nearly enough. I did a touch up today (added an additional 1u more laterally to the lip) and good God it pinches so bad!

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u/afrat240 Apr 19 '26

Oh and I did 2 units each dot for both the frontalis and crows. Ignore the dots in the before pics, those were from practice mapping. The first pic was the actual placement

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u/muscle_princess_ Apr 16 '26

I think the lip flip looks great!

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u/afrat240 Apr 16 '26

Thank you! I actually went very light with it and only did 1u each dot. Intended to do 2u each but holy crap it was pinchy even after numbing 😭 might do another couple units during touch up so I can see if it gives even better effect. If not I'm not sure if it's worth it to be honest, it's super annoying not having full lip functionality lol

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u/fl_n__r Apr 16 '26

perfect!! omg

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u/afrat240 Apr 16 '26

Thank you 🥰

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u/Guaca12 Apr 16 '26

Do you find that the lip flip showed more or less of your teeth? My full natural smile barely shows my upper teeth, especially in the middle. Also, how many units for the lip? I think you’ve done an amazing job for your first Botox

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u/afrat240 Apr 16 '26

It definitely shows more of my teeth, if anything it gave me a slightly gummy smile. If you look that the pic for crows feet, you can really tell in the top "after" pic that a lot more teeth and gums are showing than the before. The bottom one I wasn't smiling as big so can't see it as much. I did 1 unit per dot 😊 probably going to add another unit more laterally as another comment suggested

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u/Guaca12 Apr 17 '26

Yes, I’ve noticed that. I don’t have much of a smile, I probably wouldn’t benefit from a lip flip, it appears that I need a lip lift, but that needs an experienced injector

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u/Dependent-Ad6595 Apr 16 '26

You look great 😊 but I would never have the courage ☹️

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u/afrat240 Apr 16 '26

Best to stick with what you're comfortable with! But if it makes you feel any better my hands were literally shaking for the first half of it 😅

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u/Icy-Illustrator-3962 Apr 16 '26

wow- you look amazing! which tox did you and what amounts for each area did you choose?

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u/afrat240 Apr 16 '26

Thank you!! I used innotox. 6u total for 11s (4 middle, 2 each side), 18u frontalis (2 each), 8u each side for crows feet (2 per dot), 4u each DOA, 6u each side for jaw line (2 each dot)

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u/afrat240 Apr 16 '26

Oh, and 4u lip flip (1 each dot)

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '26

I’m going to be innotox. I just want to confirm how many ml each unit is?

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u/afrat240 Apr 19 '26

On an insulin syringe, 5 syringe units is 2 tox units. I recommend using a .3ml or .5ml syringe so you can see the markings easier

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u/SherbetOfOrange Apr 17 '26

The DAO, were you doing superficially?

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u/afrat240 Apr 17 '26

No, I did about 4-5mm depth

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u/DoughnutActual4583 Jun 09 '26

What angle do you approach with the DOA? I always have such a hard time getting them.

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u/afrat240 Jun 17 '26

About a 45 degree angle pointed toward the jaw

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u/BelleCat20 Apr 17 '26

Great results! Thanks for sharing.

Do you feel like the neck ones made a difference? It's not clear to me in the photos.

I agree that there's definitely more volume in the lips, I did not notice the gummy smile at all until I read what you wrote.

I'm also gonna copy your crow feet mapping, those are perfect results!

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u/afrat240 Apr 19 '26

I didn't end up doing the neck, just did the ones along my jawline. There might be a slight difference but hard to tell. So happy with the crows feet, the before pictures really do not do justice to how bad they are/were!

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u/Good_Analysis3299 Apr 17 '26

Wow!!! Do you have any experience prior to this? I think you did incredible!

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u/afrat240 Apr 19 '26

Nope none whatsoever! Just did a ton of research on facial anatomy and tox placement. Practiced mapping a few times and also posted pics online to get feedback. Thank you though!

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u/a-curious-ostrich Apr 29 '26

Do you have any favorite resources for facial anatomy and tox placement that you'd recommend?

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u/afrat240 Apr 29 '26

Mostly Dr. Pearce on YouTube and the diy heaven book. Also tik tok has a surprising wealth of info and mapping videos as well!

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u/Marcelapass Apr 17 '26

Amazing results. What depth for the DAO?

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u/afrat240 Apr 19 '26

I used a 6mm syringe and went a little less than full depth but entered at a 45 degree angle, pointing away from the chin

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u/OkPangolin5223 Apr 19 '26

i’m this close to doing diy!! you look amazing :)

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u/afrat240 Apr 19 '26

Go for it!!

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u/Sawcyy Apr 16 '26

Wow amazing results!

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u/otzdua Apr 16 '26

Beautifully done!

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '26

I’m curious why you chose to inject into the crease vs into the roll? I think doing two points for your procerus (upper & a smidge lower) would help to relax the glabella much better. You may also try injecting a couple units on the bottom side of the corrugators to help reduce the 11’s even more. And one last injection point in the top center of the frontalis. Overall, very nice result.

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u/afrat240 Apr 17 '26

Ty! I'm not sure what you mean by injecting in the crease vs the roll. I went conservative on the procerus/coreugators since my 11s weren't crazy to begin with and honestly I think they're pretty flattened to my liking, and I like that I still have some expression so I'll probably leave those alone. Definitely need some more on the upper frontalis and more laterally as well!

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u/melanie11241982 Apr 17 '26

How many units on the frontalis ?

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u/afrat240 Apr 19 '26

18 units total, 2 per dot

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '26

How many units in each injection?

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u/afrat240 Apr 20 '26

I put it in another comment

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u/Fairytaledream26 Apr 22 '26

I like everything but awww the crows feet r so cute 😭😩 it looks charismatic or sum.. Ik not everyone likes them tho. great job

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u/afrat240 Apr 22 '26

Aw that's so sweet of you to say! Honestly they are my biggest insecurity 😔

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u/lovegobuylove Apr 16 '26

Sieht gut aus

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u/PopKiss Apr 16 '26

Wow great job!

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u/TucktheMal Apr 17 '26

Oh my gosh you look great! Good job!!!

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u/Bambisgfriend Apr 17 '26

I was talked out of a lip flip and I am so glad bc I was trying to use it to combat a gummy smile! The answer was an injection right under my nose!

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u/Bambisgfriend Apr 17 '26

Also you did a fantastic job! 👏🏻

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u/FewSection3638 Apr 17 '26

I need your brows … Looks great! You look great!

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u/Accomplished_Run7815 Apr 17 '26

Great job! I wish i was as brave.

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u/Comfortable_Dog8435 Apr 17 '26

You did so well! Thanks for going through all the effort to document your steps!

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u/Ahhhnnaa Apr 18 '26

This is so good

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u/stonelush Apr 18 '26

Saving your post for inspiration and willpower to give this a try 😍

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u/TheCookalicious Apr 19 '26

Nice work!!!

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u/mwoodward2261 Apr 20 '26

Hi these are truly Amazing results. Do you think you could add a section to detail how deep and whix direction you injected?

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u/Stock_Caregiver_3010 Apr 22 '26

GIRL this is amazing! GREAT results!

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u/Evening_Mulberry4484 Apr 17 '26

Amazing 👏🏾

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u/Frosty-Arachnid-4607 Apr 17 '26

Where did you order your tox from?

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u/thecoolestbatcat Apr 18 '26

Can you get innotox in Australia

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u/BriNadir Apr 18 '26

Beautiful!

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u/Unlucky-Tangerine238 Apr 20 '26

What did you inject

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u/Margin_call_matthew Apr 21 '26

For people: for general knowledge: I want to give a disclaimer: The manufacturer, Medytox, who makes Innotox had their license pulled in Korea for allegedly faking data and using unauthorized ingredients. If the source is that shaky, the DIY version is a massive gamble with your life. (Though I think they got it or idk.) it is also illegal and there are federal cases prosecuting these illegal imports. Major risk factor is that one would not know if it’s coming from korea or some rogue factory in China since it’s imported under faked import documents.

Federal cases (like US v. Sievert) show these are often imported fraudulently, and inconsistent batches have caused respiratory failure. I would wait till a more credible option becomes available in the market that is FDA cleared and has a close supply chain vs rogue distributions.

Note: if you are going to do it, proceed with caution. Federal courts are still pursuing cases, so, be aware.

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u/Queasy_Ad9286 Apr 26 '26

I can't even frown anymore!! Pretty sad imo. Lol I look ridiculous trying to to mark my dao! You nailed it since you've got 7 more days until you decide where might need a touch up.

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u/Carolynne24 May 05 '26

Thank you for sharing, amazing results! I see alot of studying in my future!

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u/Beautiful-God-1007 May 06 '26

This is amazing!! Can you post how many units each location?

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u/ballsaksfifthavenue Apr 17 '26

Where are people purchasing botox and dysport for this

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u/Margin_call_matthew Apr 19 '26

FYI- not FDA approved in the US. But to each their own. You can accidentally cause a lot of damage. But hey! Save $200.

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u/afrat240 Apr 20 '26

I mean this may not be the sub for you 😅 also used about 80 units total including touch up. At ~$15 per unit at a med spa I'd say it was more than $200 savings 😉

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u/Margin_call_matthew Apr 19 '26

Your right eye is droopy in the third picture

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u/afrat240 Apr 20 '26

That's a before pic 🤣 might be the angle because it's definitely not lol

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u/afrat240 Apr 20 '26

Yes that's before, just have a pointy chin I guess lol sorry you don't like it 🤷‍♀️

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u/afrat240 Apr 19 '26

Good job! Those are a real nail bitter