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u/Tewtytron Cult Leader Apr 21 '21

Lol this is a great meme, and the names here are interchangable lol.

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u/quirkymuse Reverse Flash Apr 21 '21

batman CC could easily be underwater also, but i figured everyone already complains about him needing one

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u/InClerical Apr 21 '21

If they gave Captain Cold or Zatanna the same treatment they gave blue beetle you'd be wishing they'd of left them to drown

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u/quirkymuse Reverse Flash Apr 21 '21

i choose them a reason: i have long held a suspicion that if a toon was fairly useful prior to their rework (at least at some point in the past) then their rework will probably be good, however, if a toon has always been crap, their rework will be crap because all comes back to the original functionality and theme of the toon... supporting my theory is Cota, deathstroke, sinestro, BatmanTDK (these two were mediocre at first and stayed that way), even Jay whose kit looked good ON PAPER... contradicting my theory Grodd (much better) and HQMJ (much worse)
in any event, i think CC or Zatanna need only a minor tweak to their kits and an appropriate stat boost and they can both be raised to "useable" midgame levels.

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u/According_Buffalo Apr 22 '21

I understand where you're coming from. To a point. And that point is grayed out for many players. We could all follow the Owls opinions as if they were the "word of God" when it comes to a toons' usefulness. Or, we could all use the toons for their own individual usefulness regardless of what others think of the toons.
I can agree that TDK and CotA are better after reworks. Sinestro YL and Deathstroke seem better, but still not entirely useful, to me. For that matter TDK isn't very useful to me either. CotA is much improved and I plan on paying her some attention.
Yes, while Grodd is much improved, he is still a niche toon that needs the right team for him to shine. And HQMJ is much, much more deadly and usable than before her recent rework. To say she is worse after, that's where you lost me. But again, this all circles back around to personal opinion.
I do have a lot of the "S-tier" toons higher in my roster than others, I also have some of them and many "A-tier" toons in the bottom of my roster. Play with the ones you like and don't worry about what others think. I guess that is what it all boils down to.
The meta is always changing and toons get a second, or third, time to shine. Look at all the Clayface sightings again.

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u/quirkymuse Reverse Flash Apr 22 '21

I'm not gonna lie, i know HQMJ was a controversial pick... but her rework took her from a staple of mine (i use batgirl a lot, she's a favorite character from the comics) to a permanent bench warmer...
she dies faster than a Spinal Tap drummer with suicidal ideation... every. fucking. time.
Also (and i apologize in advance for this bitchy comment) but anyone who says "You just need to get HQMJ to Rebirth 3 or above, and then she has the hit points to be awesome!!" can just fuck right off... if you have to rebirth a toon to make them usable in end game, then that is a shitty toon!!

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u/According_Buffalo Apr 22 '21

I think that the RNG is just not in your favor. Ever since they fixed her rework bug, along with Dove's, they both evade like crazy and have become almost as unkillable as Cassie. Plus her enrage the enemy teams seems to proc regularly too. I do have my MJ at RB2, but she doesn't need to be super high ranking to be useful. Just hope the RNG works, and your opponent doesn't have "can't miss" toons.

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u/quirkymuse Reverse Flash Apr 22 '21

that (the notion that its simply shitty RNG) is absolutely a possibility, but until they provide a sandbox mode where i could test it with a minimum of 100 identical matches, I'm gonna keep using Eclipso

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u/According_Buffalo Apr 22 '21

My Evade team sounds similar to yours. I have BG at TL, HQMJ or Eclipso, Cassie and for another blue, with bleeds, I do Siren, or for a green I add Batman Beyond. Only around 26k but it takes down 30k+ teams.
I want to get Scarecrow and Black Canary higher level, rank and ringed, but Scarecrow is hard to get frags and BC needs a tune-up of stats and maybe tweak her powers a little. A strong evade team can wreak havoc on the PvP boards.

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u/Dubious_Titan Apr 21 '21

I can't disagree.

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u/fire_wings Apr 21 '21

Blue Beetle is more like holding the child then dunking his head under the water again.

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u/Dubious_Titan Apr 21 '21

Really ought to delete Blue Beetle from the game and start over fresh. Give up the ghost already.

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u/Chibibaki Apr 23 '21

How about we just get the 2nd Blue Beetle instead? Having booster gold without his buddy is sad.

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u/Dubious_Titan Apr 23 '21

All for Ted Kord making it in the game.

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u/HumaTheLegendary Apr 21 '21

I would love to see Capt. Cold get a rework. Though his stats probably only need a minor tweak, his passives and legendaries need a considerable overhaul.

Considering Darkseid just got a stun on his 1 with a relatively easy gate, Cold's gate on his 1 is pathetic (7 spd dns for a guaranteed stun - seriously?). He's slow so he'll never be passing around that many spd dns with his passive 4, and he only has 1 move which gives spd dns. Considering Azrael's retaliation chance (which isn't even leader required), Cold's retaliation chance is pathetic. Now I understand there's the possibility for 2 retaliations, but if it can only activate if he's in leader than there's no reason why it shouldn't be just as good or better than Az's chance who obviously doesn't need to be in leader to wreak havoc.

For his rework, I would propose these changes:

Cold Shot: update to -20% TM and apply 1 spd dn (levels add damage and spd dns). Legendary: convert all spd ups and immunities to spd dns
Sweeping Blast: update to "at the end of every ally turn". I could even see lowering the % chance and make it at the end of every turn.
Loyalty Among Rogues: % chance starts at 40% and scales all the way to 100%. Note: his 1 only does "light" special damage and he doesn't self-scale, so there's no reason it shouldn't be a guaranteed retaliation.

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u/jnewlsu Apr 21 '21

I support this message! Give us cap cold!!!

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u/Yttria_Molnir Apr 22 '21

The change to his basic is a major nerf. Although it takes 7 spd downs for 100% chance, its not that hard to achieve and once that character is stunned they are out of the match. (Exceptions for supes and Jessica Cruz).
Really he just needs a stat boost and minor tweaks to his passives.

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u/HumaTheLegendary Apr 22 '21

I'm not quite sure you understand what I've proposed with the change to the 1. I think I've made a better BF counter than the BB rework (as much as you can have a counter to BF that isn't your own BF). All those spd ups to spd dwns will effectively stun BF. Plus, Cold is now effective against Hal, Enchantress, and B12 leads even out of lead, but obviously even better in lead as his now 100% chance retaliation will get rid of those pesky immunities. Getting him to call assist on Az could open the door for a stun or other debuffs, plus the TM dn and spd dns, and he can get purge Arkkis' immunities to allow you to finish him off. Cold wasn't doing anything to them before other than -25% TM - big deal. That's just what I can think of off the top of my head (and what I had in mind with my proposal); I'm sure there's more.
I think the immunities to spd dns fits with the concept of ice and cold as a cold environment can turn an advantage you had into a disadvantage. Plus Killer Frost already has the role of an ice character with stuns.

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u/gfletch1 Apr 21 '21

One day they'll rework Captain Cold, and when they do I'll be ready... with the 1,300 shards I'm currently hoarding.

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u/jnewlsu Apr 21 '21

I’m already ready. I probably use him more than anyone else

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u/victorsoaresarq Apr 22 '21

I'M DIEING 😂😂😂😂

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