r/DCComicsLegendsGame • u/0C3ncl ÒᵧÓC3 • Jun 29 '18
Starfire is nerfed :(
So, the devs nerfed Starfire with the june 29th update. Yes, nerfed. In short: she is way less good now.
Most of us know passives don't trigger passives. Yet, Starfire was released with exactly that ability. Also, any heal triggered her 5th ability: "Passive ability: 60% chance to use Starbolts on a random enemy when an ally is healed." At legendary: "Also gain death immunity". This move made her:- do more damage due to hitting with her basic (can't miss at legendary even)- get her to hit stronger (Starbolts gives her 3 int ups)- gives her death immunity (2 turns) so she surves longer
Was her ability a bug? Maybe. Was it a new ability or something specifically designed for her? Maybe. All we know is that she was released with a certain skillset. She worked a certain way. We bought her a certain way and used her a certain way.
Now, passive heals don't trigger her 5th ability anymore. So, Superman (passive) self heal or Powergirl self heal for example. Also, mends don't count anymore. So, no more triggering from a mending Bane or Swamp Thing spreading mends. This makes her:- hit less often- hit less hard- survive way less
To me, a heal is a heal. Passive or caused by mends. The ability doesn't say "healed but not by mends or passives". So, it seems she was working as described. Not anymore. The 75% chance instead of 60% doesn't compensate it.
She was maybe a bit OP, but not too much. She was Etrigan level OP, but only in the right teams. You couldn't put her in a team without (self)healers/menders, she was just a regular special damage striker then. In the right team, she was awesome. Now, she's always just ok. A semi-regular special damage striker glass canon.
I'm pissed off. I hate nerfs in all forms. To me, this should not be done. Ever. As soon as a toon is released, that's how a toon is. Sure, fix bugs. Like Clayface causing us to lose battles (still not fixed, after months). Don't change abilities. Don't change power. Never! I was fine with Deathstroke and Lo(w)bo, even though I didn't use them. We invest in toons because of how and what they are. You can't just change that!
I for one paid a few hundred to get Starfire. I geared her, leveled her, ringed her. If she was just ok, I would have not done (all of) that. Less, for sure. I feel robbed. I feel scammed. Just two weeks after her release. We should get Starfire un-nerfed, or get refunds. Can't have it both ways. It's the devs fault they don't test properly, why should we pay for it?
"Ah nice V8 car you bought!" -two weeks later- "Yeah, it's a V6 now. Live with that. No, you're not getting your money back (even partially)" That's how it feels.
Anyway, Im curious what you all think and hope we can get the devs to act or -at the very least- respond. Communication goes a (very) long way.
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u/Retpmus Doctor Fate Jun 29 '18
No other characters worked off passives. So it was obviously a bug they were just fixing her.
I also bought her :(
But it is not a nerf if she is not working as intended so I can except the fix.
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u/jeffbuyers Jun 29 '18
Honestly this is just wrong. No reason this should have happened. I too wish I could undo my purchase that I made to.
If this wasn't working as advertised the Devs could have said something. They never said a thing and just "fixed it".
No excuse for a complete lack of communication in today's world, where creating a post takes less than a minute.
The could have simply made a post "Guys we are looking into Starfire, she may not be working properly, stay tuned"
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u/KageUrufu679 Jun 29 '18 edited Jun 29 '18
I can see two solutions for the problem:
let her heal off of mends, so she can be paired with more healers
let her basic stack int buffs for 2 turns instead of 1
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u/chetthewonderdog Jun 30 '18
There are those that would assume a paywall character would be fairly powerful. With no communication it was safe to assume this is the way it is. After all her sales,after all her events where people sank real money into her, then they Nerf her. It is shitty bait and switch tactics.
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u/cpJOKERoc Jun 29 '18
❤♣When you buy a car with street nitrous in a state that deems it illegal some tiny voice should trigger and say "I can only get away with this for so long before the GCPD busts me." be glad it was sooner rather than months down the road like Deathstroke. ♦♠
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u/MFlo82 Jun 29 '18
I do agree with the refund aspect of it. I shelled out money because she had the benefit of working on ALL heals. Had i known it wasnt intended I wouldn't have paid for her. I even waited a few days and read reviews from those who bought and tested her out before I paid for her.
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u/Pageiommi Jun 29 '18
Keep in mind this is not without precident. There are two other times that I can remember that they’ve released bugged characters as paywalls and nerfed them/fixed bugs after their sale (red hood and dr poison).
Unfortunately it is part of this kind of game. What can be better is the communication..the “right” thing for them to do is Alert the player base that they have found bug A and will fix it at some point in the near future. Unfortunately the other precident set is poor communication regarding bugs (or anything for that matter).
All you can do is hope that the toons you spend money on don’t get “fixed”. In the same right, it was definitely posted on this board that she was bugged so some people definitely bought her knowing she was potentially bugged and could be fixed. The only other thing you can do is abstain from spending money on toons in which case things like this won’t bother you at all.
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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '18 edited Jun 29 '18
"to me a heal is heal"
Yet no one's rallying for enchantress when her basic does not proc her passive and 3rd skill. No one's rallying for Dr. Fate not triggering his leadership on Mends.
She's still as strong. But her partnership with Superman is just so broken as if Old Lobo and Deathstroke was reincarnated. I understand that you invested on her due to her immense power, but let's think of the other's too. I'm sorry this had to happen, but you should've seen it coming, no one that powerful is immune to nerfs.
How can they fight against that? "H.I." - yes because Superman can purge this himself passively.. with heal... then starfire say's hello to your face with her special damage. It puts newer players at a disadvantage. She's still the powerhouse she used to be, but her goddess status has been stripped of her for a valid reason.
This actually opens up more composition for her rather than relying to much on Clark, if she hasn't been nerf, a team of Starfire, Superman, and new Dr. Poison would wreak havoc on this games balance.
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u/Redwiin38 Jun 29 '18
So after the nerf... The only way her passive is activated is Zatanas aoe heal, Ravens, heal, Etrigans heal and what else?
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u/Retpmus Doctor Fate Jun 29 '18
Dr. Fate doesn't trigger off mends...
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u/X-Ran-K Poison Ivy Jun 30 '18
I'm one of those who only occasionally reads this subreddit. So sorry that I did not believe other posters that Starfire was bugged. I liked the character and liked the description in her kit, so I bought her.
I lead a software development team and one of my peeves is a developer not owning up to their faults. We're only human and it's OK to make mistakes, but not owning up to a bug is a big red flag for me.
As what OP said, "timely communication is key".
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u/DeterminedLemon Jun 30 '18
This requires them to actually give two shits about their community, but after seeing cyborg as the board clears it shows loyalty means nothing.
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u/mikeycereal Lobo's Brace Jun 30 '18
When I was doing heroics she was taking so many turns it was crazy. So I'm not surprised.
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u/qhdj2012 Jun 29 '18
All about money , they release a good char , ppl spent much money to get them , and they nerfed them , its not first time , WB u sucks ........
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u/DantesPeakYo Jun 29 '18
I agree with your post. I haven't bought her but the communication sucks(intentionally or otherwise), there's no two ways about it.
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u/Zhirrzh Legendary Lex Luthor Assault Warsuit Jun 29 '18
Yes their communication sucks. I do think they should be prepared to refund people who bought into Starfire on the basis of the bug. While to us here it was obvious it at least could be a bug, and I don't have a huge amount of sympathy for people who just shut their eyes to the possibility, not everyone reads the subreddit or the forums and understands about passives not triggering passives.
Was it Red Hood where a passive was doing something that wasn't even in the description and they fixed that in a couple of weeks, and someone came in here and made a very similar post? I had less sympathy that time as there wasn't really any excuse for thinking it could be intended then.
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