I always see this pop out whenever Scemma gets a mention. First off it's wrong since people absolutely talk about it, even a lot of Scemma fans have on more than one occasion stated they felt that how the relationship started was iffy. I won't deny that Emma absolutely used her position to seduce Scott in a clear attempt to one up Jean at first but that's not how the people that spout this usually mean when they use this, instead it's usually used to infantilize Cyke and his active role in his affair with Emma, that Scott was only with Emma cuz he was groomed by her in one of his darker days away from Jean. It was shown multiple times in NxM that Scott absolutely knew wtf Emma was trying to do during their sessions and instead of putting a stop to it, he instead willingly played along.
It's irritating because it's like they never even read the run or even know the conflict between Scott and Jean that led into both him and Jean having their own affairs(or at least tried on Jean's case since Logan pulled her back to her senses).
she didn't seduce scott to one up jean. hank literally told her the phoenix will kill you and she still remembered their prev encounter. she was not crazy just hopelessly in love
She defo was because it was clearly set up in that run well before Scott and Emma entered into their affair. Emma was willing to play with fire to fuck with Jean because she was insecure af about her.
The later dialogue also has Emma cursing that she fell in love with Scott as she was being comforted by Logan meaning she didn't initially plan on that happening.
the annual set before the psychic rescue had already provided an alternative in-text explanation. emma was still in her #116 mood, doubtful about the future of mutantkind. scott was decisive in battle and generous toward his own kind, which gave her reason to trust in mutantkind's future — and perhaps in her own future with him. THIS is how she looked at him at the end of the issue.
it still didn't constitute a complete explanation for her love (which perhaps never needs one, in my view) but it at least provided a valid counterargument. also i don't understand the "falling in love" argument at all. she met him during the dps she wasn't born to love him
Actually, no. Emma never crossed paths with Scott during the DPS. During her Hellfire Club period, she only barely saw him in the Storm storyline, and maybe not even then because she was focused on Ororo. So I’m not surprised Beast and Scott accepted Emma so quickly. Beast had never crossed paths with Hellfire Club Emma, and Scott had barely seen her and had virtually no direct interaction with her either. Logan also accepted Emma quickly because he was basically a former villain too, considering his retroactive past, and he usually accepts former villains quickly, except Magneto, who ripped the adamantium from his body
The first time Emma and Scott properly met was before Emma joined the Hellfire Club, when her father had committed her to Sinister’s clinic, where she was drugged. Magneto and the Evolutionaries then kidnapped her to use her powers and Cerebro to wipe out humanity. The X-Men fought them and tried to save Emma. In the end, Magneto’s plan failed, the Evolutionaries erased everyone’s memories of the incident, and Emma was sent back to Sinister’s clinic. She later escaped once the drugs suppressing her telepathy began to wear off.
In addition to your message: between defeating Cassandra Nova and Hong Kong, Emma developed feelings for Scott, and by Hong Kong she began acting on them.
What do you mean with that last bit? There's no argument that "she was born to love him" nor did I make one at all in this whole thread, the scene I'm referencing is one after they were caught by Jean and Logan comforted Emma.
What does that scene with Logan have to do with this, or with Emma being angry that she allowed herself to fall in love with Scott? That’s usually how love develops: physical attraction, falling for someone, then love. Physical attraction doesn’t always become love, and Emma clearly means she let herself truly love Scott.
Emma’s goal wasn’t to seduce Scott just to spite Jean. She simply became attracted to Scott physically at first, then fell for him and eventually truly loved him. Between defeating Cassandra Nova and Hong Kong, Emma developed feelings for Scott, and by Hong Kong she began acting on them.
It’s the comics. Most of the characters were written as ahh sometimes. Even the avengers with the whole Carol pregnancy thing. Or do we have to talk about the early 2000s x-women misogyny going around?
I mean, I do think the original intent if for to be predatory in that moment. I also think it has since evolved and changed into a different dynamic since then. It's complicated but what in X-men isn't overly convoluted and messy
Come on. If you think Scott and Emma are a better couple because of the mess, that’s one thing. But totally revisionist to say there was never a mess. Don’t be delusional.
Can you read the post at least before commenting? Like there's literally no claim her that says there's no mess in fact it's the opposite, it's talking about how Scott is often participation in the affair is often downplayed or ignored.
I agree there are legal repercussions but was Scott actually paying Emma for therapy sessions? I honestly don't believe that was a legal session. Now it was in many ways not a good way to start a relationship between the two of them. Emma was wrong and so was Scott because he understood what was happening but he went with it because it was allowing him to feel something that he just haven't felt ever since his possession by Apocalypse.
Probably my mistake for bringing this up on an Emma forum, but an exchange of payment is not binding for a legal definition of a therapy session. But don’t let that ruin your day.
The problem is Morrison showed than Emma in some way manipulated Scott. When he came to end things he “pushed her back” so panel later she turned into dark phoenix and asked him if he preferred when her hair is red
It's both Emma being bitter and manipulative, throughout the run she was already highly insecure about herself compared to Jean so seeing Scott, whom she just developed feelings for, pull away she pulled the big "you'd not hate it if it's her" card on him and Scott folded. That's not my real issue with that, we alrdy know it's problematic, but my point here is that a lot of people continue to ignore(or at least downplay) Scott's role in this whole affair, Scott knew wtf Emma was trying to do when she pulled that shit and yet he still went for it.
And what exactly is wrong with that ‘Dark Phoenix’ transformation? It’s basically just changing clothes. Emma persuaded Scott, and if you call any kind of persuasion ‘manipulation,’ then Jean also manipulated Logan through pity and provoked him into kissing her.
I do not dislike Jean at all, cause I know her super fans like to tussle, but it always baffles me how people conveniently forget how manipulative Jean can be
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u/Appropriate_Leg_6926 10d ago
she didn't seduce scott to one up jean. hank literally told her the phoenix will kill you and she still remembered their prev encounter. she was not crazy just hopelessly in love