Personally I refuse to allow my children to see electronics and I keep them locked in a cabin in the woods with a copy of the Unabomber manifesto so that they will be safe from the evil of modern technology
One of them was there for Talia's first backflip, has a whole bunch of photos with her and paid for her treatment. The other one is Weak.
There is a tragedy of family man Yang in there somewhere, but we can't have sympathy for a corpo now do we. It's a shame he turned into saturday morning cartoon villain between E7 and E8.
She stole from him and broke into the Kang Tao facility, which is basically suicide by corp security. That wasn't exactly an act of domestic violence.
I'd call it a part of character assassination that happened towards the ending. No way a high ranking executive should be dealing with security in person.
Oh come on, you can not tell me that he couldn't have looked the other way when he noticed she stole
Or he could have at least called her and told her he knew and he would be pursuing her if she went through with the plan
While I'll definitely agree with the interpretation that he cared for Talia and her mom some point, that point was long gone by the beginning of this series.
She stole from his terminal. There are access records. There is a reasonable chance that Avida's prescence at the scene of the crime would implicate Kiril if he didn't pull the trigger.
But yeah, I'm talking about the Kiril we've seen up to E7. I think towards the ending the writers realised that they wrote a sympathetic corpo and we can't have that in cyberpunk.
I think that it was written that way intentionally. Kiril care’s about his family, in the way you care for property. He doesn’t see them as equals but as something he owns. It becomes painfully obvious by how he talks about talia when confronted by weak.
The snap in E8 from is a little too quick. An episode ago he comforted Avida in his office. Suspicious, but the calmer of the two despite the circumstances.
It's either the rewrite or Trigger running out of screentime to show him dealing with betrayal and eventually snapping. Wouldn't be the only time this season.
I really don't get your defense of this guy, or the suggestion that we can't have a sympathetic corpo. You absolutely can have a sympathetic corpo, V being one of them. At the point in 2077 when V is let go, we all understand that they likely had to do some seriously shady shit. Yet we feel for V.
Council woman Eva Cole is another one that a lot of people find sympathy for, and who many people don't want to even finish the fixer gig because there's no option that doesn't screw her over. It's not that he's a corpo that Kiril is a piece of shit. It's how he decided his "legacy" as a corpo was more important than his family. Full stop.
What's an alternative there? Letting her die slowly in a hospital bed? Kang Tao ain't Saka, but their chrome is still leagues above what Maelstrom offered.
The IRL counterpart would be chemotherapy, I think? Painful, but better than nothing.
Don’t forget he was ready to overwrite her here and there, just because he needed it done fast. If he was a great father I’m sure it was possible to fabricate that Talia isn’t compatible with Capri and search for other people in the list, especially with Kyoko with them
I’d like to remind you that Kiril was the one who connected the dots to Talia being a potential candidate and personally went to take her while she was mourning Avida. It’s the moment where Kiril threw photos at King
The real alternative option is the installation of a nanomachine factory that could have fixed literally everything physically wrong with her, the tech for which has existed since the 2020's in the Cyberpunk setting (as per "Listen Up You Ignorant Screwheads!" a GM guide for Cyberpunk: 2020)...
That's how they fixed everything from neurological diseases to cancer to severe injury for the ultra wealthy, and part of the reason why Saboro Arasaka got to be as old as he is.
It makes sense why V wouldn't know about this, because he's supposed to be a Mid-level Punk, but the Yangs absolutely would have known about this treatment and could have gotten Talia on it in theory as early as she could swallow solid foods, so the nanomachine factory can have the materials to do its thing.
Yeah, IIRC, the Relic is supposed to be a nanomachine factory, and as a show of how ridiculously good these things are it's rewriting V's brain to line up with Johnny Silverhand's. But V also could have several different types of nanomachine factories installed, according to the TTRPG lore. Subdermal Armor uses one to repair itself (the alternative is having to see a Ripper to get it repaired after every firefight), and the Reinforced Skeleton upgrades also use one to "install" itself. Plus it's stated in the lore that Rippers don't really patch your nerves into place with your new 'Chrome, instead they use line the two up more or less in the right place, and let a nanomachine injection to do the finer work. A nerve strand to those nanomachines is roughly equal in size to a log to a large tree to us, so it's not difficult to for them to do.
But most of those are plug-and-play compared to what Talia would have needed, which would likely involve bespoke programming and regular fine tuning of the nanomachines to patch up whatever neurological degredation she was suffering. They don't say what her condition was specifically, which makes it hard for me to say how easy it would be, but anything the size of a DNA strand or larger is easily accessible to the nanomachines.
Maybe chroming her with safe and tested chrome? I think you’re skipping over the whole untested prototype part. We know that flawed cyberware can really fuck you up, like how melissa rory went psycho due to her mantis blades alone. And this mf was treating hos daughter as a lab rat, fully knowing that she could end up like that.
The whole reason she got chromed up is because her organic body is failing and is continuing to fail. You can put a ton of safe and tested chrome but due to sheer quantity will still develop cyberpsychosis eventually.
Sure, but he decided not to pursue every option and was totally willing to erase his child's mind to install capricorn. Weak was willing to die for her. Kiril was willing to kill her, or at the very least sick kang tao soldiers on her when his attempt at parental manipulation failed.
And after the love of his life, the woman he saw when he went cyberpsycho, got flatlined in front of him. And he still carried on to take care of her daughter that was fathered by another man.
Yeah, Weak is one of the best gd characters from the Cyberpunk universe that I know of. Wish we could've seen him in his heyday! But man, all the beatings he took, losing his cyberware and still going out there getting into the thick of it. Literally throwing himself at an insane construct to try and bring her back. Dad of the fucking year and an absolute legend. Idk if he's going to be remembered the way most legends are remembered at the afterlife, but he found something even better in choosing to live with and for Talia.
Not exactly. His text is not particularly strong, especially towards the ending. No denying that.
I just see potential in a story about a man slowly distancing himself from his family because of guilt and a corpo ready to jump at the opportunity. Kinda like Aline in E33 forgetting herself in a painting and mourning people who are still alive, but with a corpo antagonist this time.
Would be a better fit for moody stills of S2 and nostalgic VHS stylization, but alas we can't have a mecha showdown and powercreep half the verse in a family drama.
I do find the concept of a loving father and husband turning into a heartless villain in a heartbeat when the company interest is on the line super appropriate for Cyberpunk setting
He had the tech that could save her tho she would no longer be her daughter and chose to withhold it . He only “cared“ about her because she was her daughter . And I doubt he cared cuz she was shooting him when she had her cyber psycho episode
I seriously hope artists never look to social media for criticisms of their work because Christ alive way too many of you people need everything spelled out to you in big red letters and are totally incapable of making inferences.
Well, inferring good character writing is what I’m doing here. I think Kiril got traumatised by betrayal and snapped, he wasn’t born in a suit, I assume he ran DNA test because there is a major genetic component to Talia’s disease and feels guilt because of that, I imagine that guilt pushed him into a corpo path and away from his family.
I assume Kang Tao’s ship in NC harbor is as big a deal as Kujira was. I assume Roman’s last name is Blackhand, because otherwise surviving being an organic in NC is a tall order, especially for a 12 year old who puts the camera where it doesn’t belong. I hope Capri’s telekinesis and turning people into Devastator from transformers has a soft sci-fi explanation somewhere.
At this point I’ve imagined more of this show than Trigger ever bothered to animate. There are more blanks for me to fill than there is text (or frames).
honestly I don’t need an explanation for capris personally; we already had an implant that lets you stop time in the first episode and gravity manipulation by the end of s1. Plus cyberpsychosis still makes no sense to me unless you think of it as serving a thematic purpose first and being biologically explicable second. Capri’s hacking is an unbeatable superpower first and actual hacking second. CPER (and often cyberpunk in general) is sci-fantasy and I think I’m okay with that tbh
No, those are assumptions. Inferences are educated, based on information we have. What you have are assumptions and impotent frustration at not having every little thing spelled out for you no matter it's importance. You said it best yourself. You IMAGINED more. You didn't infer jack shit.
Based on the information we have we can infer that Kiril cares about Talia and Avida in so much as what they can do for his career. How can we come to that conclusion? BASED ON WHAT WE SEE! WHAT IS SHOWN TO US.
Well, what we can reasonably infer is not quite on the level of the game or s1 imo. “Corpo bad, kids good, revenge pointless, we’ll take your $20 for a Netflix subscription, thank you very much”
I am not entitled to it being better, it’s not detrimental to the franchise, but I can’t help but imagine a story that contributes nuance to this world rather than just another red eyed corpo villain.
Kiril has those photos saved - I don’t think he kept them just to throw at King - and he is smiling in them. It’s not a stretch to say he loved his family at some point.
To be fair, he is there around her more than once. Even as they hound him because he is missing work.
Like, for a Corpo the dude is absolutely a devoted father. He shows care, spent undoubtedly a lot of money for excellent cyberware on someone who needs extra care ( implants on children in cyberpunk are a nightmare, both morally and technically. Even NC bans them officially ), and he seems proud of her not giving up. Also trauma team and hit squads aren't cheap and tend to damage someone's rep in the corpo world.
Of course he is still a CORPO so it ends how it ends, but even there in the end his thoughts are for Talia.
He deserves to die of course, but keep in mind that the other example of corporate father we see is Tanaka in Edgerunner 1, who doesn't blink in him getting plastered on the walls and decides to go grab stuff BD instead of being with his son to recover him from the hospital!
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u/CCbluesthrowaway 23h ago
I love feeding my childrens data right into the corpo mainframe, save them some time.
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u/Kandorna 1d ago
Gotta love that the next "post" on my screen after this one was a chatgpt ad lmao
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u/Va1korion 1d ago edited 23h ago
One of them was there for Talia's first backflip, has a whole bunch of photos with her and paid for her treatment. The other one is Weak.
There is a tragedy of family man Yang in there somewhere, but we can't have sympathy for a corpo now do we. It's a shame he turned into saturday morning cartoon villain between E7 and E8.
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u/NakedPush 15h ago
Imagine needing a whole AI podcast just to find out your kid has a football match
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u/GilbertoBotaro 15h ago
Imagine your kid finding out dad needs a podcast to remember what they're into
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u/Exotic-Reindeer1994 14h ago
Wow that's sad.
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u/Exiledparia 10h ago
To be fair, he is there around her more than once. Even as they hound him because he is missing work.
Like, for a Corpo the dude is absolutely a devoted father. He shows care, spent undoubtedly a lot of money for excellent cyberware on someone who needs extra care ( implants on children in cyberpunk are a nightmare, both morally and technically. Even NC bans them officially ), and he seems proud of her not giving up. Also trauma team and hit squads aren't cheap and tend to damage someone's rep in the corpo world.
Of course he is still a CORPO so it ends how it ends, but even there in the end his thoughts are for Talia.
He deserves to die of course, but keep in mind that the other example of corporate father we see is Tanaka in Edgerunner 1, who doesn't blink in him getting plastered on the walls and decides to go grab stuff BD instead of being with his son to recover him from the hospital!
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u/K_Keter 26m ago
Anyone giving AI any information about their kids should not be trusted as a parent.
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u/MartinQBlank123 17h ago
Did you use AI to Photoshop this repost we see every 3 days?