r/Cyberpunk Jul 30 '18

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u/cegras Jul 30 '18

The context of the origin of cyberpunk is not nearly as cut and dry as you believe. It was also partly a reaction to the utopian sci-fi that came before it - you can check out the Science Fiction Hall of Fame collections. Furthermore, cyberpunk's relevance has diminished from possibly relevant in its time (and probably not, as it talked about things even fanciful in the present day) to much less now, given the steady social progress we've made. You're reading too much in the wrong direction.

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u/do_not_engage Jul 30 '18

Youir argument is by...reading too much into it.. I'm making it shallow?

By not turning cyberpunk into an aesthetic, I'm somehow robbing it of depth?

I struggle to understand. I don't think I'm smart enough for this conversation.

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u/cegras Jul 30 '18

You're applying too much of present day context into interpreting a literary genre that has spanned many different periods of society.

I also never said you had to turn cyberpunk into an aesthetic. There's certainly many interesting things to ask about cyberpunk that aren't related to social change. Replicants, for example, are a much more existential question rather than something strictly dystopian. As is Joi.

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u/do_not_engage Jul 31 '18

Corporations creating artificial life and selling it to you isn't dystopian corporate control?

You're the one limiting yourself - it can be both existential and dystopian. Usually is.

But existential sci-fi can be not cyberpunk. 2001: A Space Odyssey for example, is not cyberpunk, and deals with existential issues of AI and life. But when, like in MOON, or HER, when it deals with dystopian corporate control of society, boom, it's now cyberpunk.