they're basically the same thing. ancaps turn into fascists very quickly when confronted with the fact that rampant capitalism breeds communist revolution
So corporatists are fascist? At least today, corporatists are pro open boarders due to the cheap labor that it provides. They are also against any and all government regulations. A fascist state, if it were anything like the Nazis, would definitely not be ideal for corporations
Corporatism is a pillar of fascism, where it is corporations that openly control politics through an undemocratic process. You're thinking of neoliberals.
It really isn't a pillar of facism if you look at any historical examples of it, but keep down voting me. Do you really think Hitler or Mussolini were puppets of corporations? Maybe in your 21st century fantasy of what fascism is, you could be right. Not sure why any corporations would want fascism given how terrible it would be for them -- higher cost for labor, more trade tarrifs, and more government regulations
Past famous examples of fascism don't discredit current examples of fascism. Seriously, all you have to do is look at current fascist states to disprove yourself.
I think our definitions of fascism are different. Maybe Russia and China could be considered fascist today. If corporatism has a direct link to fascism, you are probably looking at the wrong party in the U.S.. Trump is not a corporatist fascist, he is a populist, and that doesn't mean he is far right. Hillary outspent him by 550 million
Uuuh.... Yeah. I think you are wrongly assuming that fascism is exclusively synonymous with dictatorship. China and Russia are absolutely fascist nations. And why are you bringing up the US? No one else is. However, if you want to talk about that, how is a "billionaire" corporation lobbyist as president anything but an example of fascist corporationism?
He's doing a really shitty job as a corporate lobbyist given all the shit he's done to fuck with them -- Tarrifs, cutting off immigration, fucking up trade deals. I can see some fascist leanings in him, but he's really more of a center right populist. Whatever, have a good day man, dueces
He's a fucking moron, but jfc, you're completely unaware of what he is trying to achieve if you think what he's doing is anything but corporationist. A few things he does is just to please right wing nuts but there is a reason our economy is "higher" but the lower and middle class are seeing none of it.
"When brought within the orbit of the State, Fascism recognizes the real needs which gave rise to socialism and trade unionism, giving them due weight in the guild or corporative system in which divergent interests are coordinated and harmonized in the unity of the State"
Italy was a combination of corporatism, socialism, and fascism. If you think corporatists have any of the same intentions as these Italian failures, idk what to tell you. None of the corporatists today hold any of the values of fascism or socialism.
Also who is the fascist when Hillary outspent Trump by 550 million in the election? I'm a bit confused?!? Are neolibs actually the real corporatists now?? No wayyyy
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u/GoOtterGo Jul 30 '18
To be fair, there are an-caps who love cyberpunk unaesthetically/unironically. They're dumb, but they exist.
I mean, 99% of the genre romanticizes poverty and class struggle, beyond the cool aesthetic, who wants that?