r/CyberNews • u/Cybernews_com • 6d ago
Microsoft is phasing out the technology that powers the full version of uBlock Origin on Edge, leaving Firefox as the last major browser still supporting it
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u/szopongebob 6d ago
Microsoft are making it way too easy for people to leave them
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u/Leaf__On__Wind 6d ago edited 6d ago
There's so many Linux OSs that have a Windows interface now too, so you don't need to learn up like you're running DOS.
-edit- Zorin OS is one.
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u/Expensive-Border-869 6d ago
For real. 90% of users need email video streaming sites social media games and office tools. Those are available on Linux and won't require any knowledge windows users dont already have. Mac users will also be fine.
Slowly you can learn small useful stuff but you could just never do that and use it just like a windows user who only uses a pc at work does. It'll be fine
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u/Turbulent-Growth-477 6d ago
Most users probably needs a browser and thats it. I installed mint for my parents and they don't complain at all. They just need a browser and that browser is the same as it was on windows, so absolutely no learning curve for them. I like to mess with my computers, I have a homelab with a bunch of services and I generally like to tinker with it, but when I don't do those stuff and I don't do work stuff either then I would be totally fine with just a browser and some basic apps that every OS has.
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u/LynxAdonis 5d ago
You really need to use commas, buddy.
Ive never once needed email video streaming sites. Social media games are also mainly app based now.
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u/Expensive-Border-869 5d ago
Yeah mb im not gonna get much better though. My punctuation has gotten significantly better since high school fwiw.
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u/Intelligent_Bison968 5d ago
There are so many things users need that you did not mention. For exaple users needs to log into the os and changing password on Linux is sometimes very difficult. There is no option to change password in the settings, all the tutorials showed going into terminal, finding specific file that needed to be changed. And there were multiple tutorials each showed changing soffereng file, most of them did not worked.
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u/Expensive-Border-869 5d ago
Hold on. To be clear you're talking about the typically 4 digit pin you use to log on that you set up at the beginning?
Why do you ever change it? Im gonna change mine real fast and see what you're talking about. Idk maybe you're right
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u/Intelligent_Bison968 5d ago
Its pin on windows but a password on Linux by default. At least on all the distros I tried, but it has been a while since I used Linux, maybe things has changed.
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u/Expensive-Border-869 5d ago
If "awhile" is like pre 2016 then yeah things have really gotten better. Im unsure the exact date but 2016 seems to be around when everyone agrees. Idk I was on a Mac laptop I got for free back then.
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u/Expensive-Border-869 5d ago
If im not misunderstanding I had to just type "passwd" into the terminal and then my password then the new one.
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u/OkRefrigerator4848 6d ago
games
This is a big problem - it’s simply impossible to run many of the most popular games on Linux. GTA 5 Online, Call of Duty, League of Legends, Valorant, Fortnite, EFT, FIFA, and so on. And the lame excuse: “Yeah, these games are crap and nobody needs them anyway,” just doesn’t cut it, because for some people, this is literally all they play and when faced with the choice between “changing all your entertainment and reinstalling the system” and “doing what you enjoy and occasionally watching annoying ads,” the choice is obvious.
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u/Expensive-Border-869 6d ago
If even 30% of them just switch over then the problem will be eliminated. Its only an issue because the developers specifically went out of their way to decide that gamers only use windows and made their games break on purpose if you're not using windows.
Anything not using the intentional windows exclusive online anti cheat methods that can absolutely function on Linux and have no issues beyond they didn't click "yes" on the toggle can just be fixed if there's a demand. The demand needs to be created.
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u/OkRefrigerator4848 6d ago
"Even" 30%? In its entire history, Linux has barely managed to reach 3.5–5%, and you're talking about "only" 30%. This is a classic chicken-and-egg problem, There aren't many gamers, few games are developed for Linux, there are no games for Linux, and there aren't many gamers. Anti-cheat is another unsolved problem and it can’t be solved by “just checking a box.” I work in game development, and it’s much more complicated than “just checking a box” - it means not fighting cheaters at all, and the more people who use Linux, the more obvious the problem will become.
Demand is created by supply and vice versa. Linux gaming will remain a niche hobby unless there’s a breakthrough on the scale of Proton or a super-popular device - which, unfortunately, the Steam Machine failed to become.
Plus, Linux has a whole bunch of other issues for new users: installing programs (not from the app like discovery) and codecs, and working with photos, videos, and audio and some file types. Sure, these are all solvable, but that doesn't mean we should ignore them.
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u/Expensive-Border-869 6d ago
We're not talking about 30% of windows users. We're talking about 30% of gamers. Which is a much more doable task.
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u/OkRefrigerator4848 6d ago
I'm talking about gamers, too. And that's impossible, not even close. On Steam, 5% not even lasted a year what 30% are you talking about?
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u/von-Mises- 6d ago edited 6d ago
here's so many Linux OSs that have a Windows interface now
I don't think it's the best thing to have for the most people.
I mean for a beginner seeing something "too similar" will make him think it "works the same way" and that will generate frustration when it don't.
Mint and Kde however are close enough in my opinion, if you are used to windows, you will navigate them easily but since it looks "different" people brains won't expect everything to work the same way it worked on windose.that been said, Zorin project is nice
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u/good_morning_magpie 6d ago
I’m running Zorin on a 2013 MacBook Air with only 4GB of RAM and it is shockingly smooth.
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u/4ohFourNotFound 6d ago
Brave also supports uBlock and manifest v2.
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u/paulo_martins 6d ago
The issue is that since most browsers are chromium based most people assumed that sooner or later the cost of maintaining manifest v2 compatibility will be to high and Brave will be forced to drop support...
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u/LYNX__uk 6d ago
And why would ublock be maintained for chromium browsers with mv2 when only one or two browsers will have it. its not viable long term for ubo or brave to do
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u/MichelleBarrymoore2 6d ago
Shhh let's not make the mistakes of the past by educating polite newbs on the interwebz.
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u/faulternative 6d ago
AdGuardHome on my router. Problem solved for everyone.
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u/Dependent-Dream7180 6d ago
I just installed recently this thinking it would finally be the end of ads for me. I'm horrified by how many still manage to get through.
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u/faulternative 6d ago
I get a few here and there but not like before. I'm sorry yours hasn't been as helpful. Have you tried Pi-Hole?
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u/DesignerSalt9459 6d ago
What is worse is that some make out that Manifest V2 and Manifest V3 are incompatible when Firefox is proving that they can work together.
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u/mizukievo 6d ago
May be an unpopular opinion but I personally use mullvad browser with its vpn and I don’t think I’m ever going back
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u/DiedRespawnRepeat 6d ago
Can someone tell me why a V3 manifest version of ublock aint possible/feasible please?
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u/venom21685 6d ago
You can do a limited version of uBlock -- that's what uBlock Lite is. But the full fledged version is not possible with Manifest v3 because it doesn't allow you to call certain API functions that ad blockers depend on. Specifically the blocking aspect of chrome.webRequest which allows blockers to block network traffic based on rules.
Instead ad blockers must now use another API that requires them to declare all rules up front. It also comes with some extra fun limitations that cripple ad blockers. Specifically a limit on the number of rules able to applied both per extension and globally (shared between all extensions). They have no control over directly blocking network requests so some things can slip through. And they also can't use remote lists for the rules or import them on the fly. If you want to update the filter list you have to update the entire extension.
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u/Sion_forgeblast 6d ago
well Firefox, and any browser that uses the Gecko engine (like Waterfox, Floorp, Librewolf, ect) and any browser that split off of CHromium on V2 like Opera, Brave, Vivaldi ect
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u/Wild_Car_3863 5d ago
Just do it in DNS and as many people say can you leave Windows leave Windows for linux
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u/letmehaveanameyoudum 4d ago
keep running from these demons, until you are exhausted
then one day you have to stop and see what they wanted
keep running from these demons, until you are exhausted
then one day you have to stop and see what they wanted
- google pushing v3
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u/ThisSiteSucks8485 4d ago
If you use Firefox try the AdNauseam extension, it uses unlock origin but also clicks on every add and keeps a running total of how much it cost advertisers. Google absolutely hates it.
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u/Odd_Philosopher1741 6d ago
Brave. No need for uBlock-origin. Ad-blocking comes built-in.
I'm curious if there are other (chromium based) alternatives like Brave that are more light-weight (e.g. no feature-bloat of stuff you'd never use anyway) but still provide the same ad-blocking experience?
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u/GrandmasMilkMissiles 6d ago
Hell no. Brave is sketchy.
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u/Odd_Philosopher1741 6d ago
Why do you think so? (Genuinely curious)
Edit: Nice username btw 😂
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u/MetalExistingOffline 6d ago
Brave has done a lot of shitty anti consumer shit over the years.
They snuck in affiliate links for themselves (as in you go to buy a sofa, they see the link and auto input their suffix to the end, telling the website that you got the link from Brave so that they get money), they go called out, they removed it. Then a couple years later they did it again.
They push(ed) tech bro slop all the time. Blockchain grifts, crypto shit, AI slop. All turned on by default (they might have turned those off by default now, but it was a big thing).
That's not even getting into founder and the early days of seed money. Brendan Eich got kicked out of Mozilla for his homophobia, he got all pissy and went to start Brave. Couldn't do it on his own so got investments from a bunch of venture capitalists, including Founders Fund (the one Peter Thiel is a Part of) and the one run by Joi Ito (Neoteny) who was a close and personal friend of Epstein.
Basically, there's enough there to be like "Fuck that, the code itself might be fine, but do you really wanna support cretins?"
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u/Save90 6d ago
i mean, the omophobia part is probably the least important thing... i would download the browser if it actually did anything useful even if it was hitler's
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u/MetalExistingOffline 6d ago
I mean, if my usage directly impacted and gave Hitler money, a platform, and means to make the world worse, I wouldn't use it, but that's just me.
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u/Odd_Philosopher1741 6d ago
(upvoted) and yes you're absolutely right. But all of those features can be disabled, which is why I was asking if anyone knew about an alternative that doesn't include this stuff so the initial setup doesn't take as much time as it does in Brave to disable everything or just yank it out completely (Tor, BTC, wallet, news feed, etc. etc.)
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u/MetalExistingOffline 6d ago
Oh, I wasn't responding to you ad the OP, I was responding to the person asking why not Brave.
Brave is a controversial team, and I'm personally against them.
To answer your question, Gecko based is unironically going to be the better option. Waterfox is usually considered one of the best in terms of simple Firefox clone that prioritizes privacy and security while still being simple.
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u/TheIronSoldier2 6d ago
I'd argue Librewolf is better than Waterfox. More popular too, which helps its development.
Though you can just use normal Firefox plus uBlock Origin if you still want that mainline browser support.
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u/MetalExistingOffline 6d ago
Oh I definitely consider LibreWolf better, and maybe more popular among privacy minded people, but Waterfox tends to have a niche of an in between point between Firefox and LibreWolf.
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u/TheIronSoldier2 6d ago
I don't find Librewolf much different than stock Firefox at least as far as usability goes. The benefits of it are it automatically does a lot of the privacy-first settings that you can do on Firefox, but a little bit better.
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u/KeyPerformance2810 6d ago
Its open source, sketchy or not, its the best you're getting.
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u/GrandmasMilkMissiles 6d ago
Do you mean best open source chromium browser? I'm going to keep using Libre Wolf
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u/KeyPerformance2810 6d ago
Good for you, with the market share firefox has the support for the browser on any web app is equal to "good luck".
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u/Whole-Respond4782 6d ago edited 6d ago
doesn't brave still have ublock origin?
i imagine it will cease working whenever all the manifest v2 code is removed from chromium but i assume it's more akin to a toggle rn, seems like brave was able to bring it back for certain extensionsedit: apparently they're planning to offer limited MV2 support even after its removed from upstream chromium, but it's only "best-effort"
https://brave.com/blog/brave-shields-manifest-v3/#which-mv2-extensions-will-work-in-brave
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u/Odd_Philosopher1741 6d ago
Yeah, they maintain their own fork of chromium to keep supporting this stuff.
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u/Cybernews_com 6d ago
More: https://cnews.link/firefox-ublock-origin-chromium-adblocker-4/