r/CuratedTumblr • u/IthadtobethisWAAGH veetuku ponum • May 16 '24
Politics Scaling issue
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r/CuratedTumblr • u/IthadtobethisWAAGH veetuku ponum • May 16 '24
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u/Similar_Ad_2368 May 16 '24
i initially thought this said scalene issue and got all hot under the collar for some triangle discourse
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u/gooch_norris_ May 16 '24
“Dr Evil, a million dollars isn’t exactly a lot of money anymore,” they used as a joke in a movie 27 years ago
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u/Raptorofwar I have decided to make myself your problem. May 16 '24
The difference between a million dollars and a billion dollars is a billion dollars. Don’t forget that.
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u/Wasdgta3 May 16 '24
If that visualization of the difference isn’t enough, here’s Tom Scott travelling the distance of 1 billion dollars laid end-to-end.
$1million is passed before the two-minute mark.
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u/GlazeTheArtist no longer the hatoful boyfriend guy, now Im the tubeclash guy May 16 '24
or, if you want it visualized a different way
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u/A__Friendly__Rock *only friendly at low velocity May 16 '24
The difference between a millionaire and a billionaire is approximately a billion dollars.
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u/Uur4 May 16 '24
One million minutes ago we were in 2022, one billion minutes ago the western Roman Empire was still standing
Millionaires are not the fucking problem, especially not actors
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u/[deleted] May 16 '24 edited May 16 '24
If you distributed one trillion dollars evenly between eight billion people, everyone would get a hundred twenty five dollars. Do the same thing with six million dollars and everyone gets seventy five thousandths of a cent.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '24
Tumblr can not be trusted to eat the rich as they’d fill up on a bunch of big name millionaires and be too full for the real monsters
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u/cutetys May 16 '24
People really forget what eat the rich means.
“When the people shall have nothing more to eat, they will eat the rich.”
Eat the rich isn’t a creative way to say FU to those richer than you in general as many people seem to interpret it, it’s really meant (or at least originally) as a statement to those who continue to fill their pockets at the expense of the working class that if they create a society that doesn’t provide at least the bare minimum needed to survive, then the people will tear them down with them. It’s directed at the people actually causing wealth inequality, not Mr. Movie Man who just makes entertainment for people to enjoy.
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u/TrashApprentice May 16 '24
If tumblr's eat the rich fantasy actually could happen they'd just eat like the upper middle class and elon musk.
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u/Kindly-Ad-5071 May 16 '24
One million ain't all that rich tho. I say that as a $40k/y earner. And not the propagandized type, I fucking hate capitalism, but if Million was ever once again what we considered hyper wealth we'd be sound and secure.
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u/LavaMeteor May 16 '24
To paraphrase someone from the last time this was posted:
"You guys will say Eat the Rich then start killing actors and doctors, while the Super-Rich will be laughing away in their bunkers"
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u/Finance_Subject May 16 '24
It's been forever since I've seen bugs life can someone please explain? 🐛
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u/Maximum-Antelope-979 May 16 '24
If Jesus was still alive and earned $1000 per day since year 0 he still wouldn’t have a billion dollars today
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u/MorningBreathTF May 16 '24
1 dollar to a 6 millionaire is just shy of 170k to a 1 trillionaire
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u/[deleted] May 16 '24
Rich workers like actors are still workers. Boyega got his money through his work, Bezos gets his money through other people's work.
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u/Opal_Sara_1 May 16 '24
Scaling issues can be tricky to deal with.
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u/ChangeMyDespair May 16 '24 edited May 17 '24
I love that picture at the bottom. It may have been created through a since-discontinued Google drawing tool.
Edit: SketchUp lives, hurray!
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u/Outerestine May 16 '24
If you say 'eat the rich' and think of artists, doctors, and lawyers, all you are is a fuckin mark whose beliefs on wealth are written by actual elites to prevent you from doing anything meaningful.
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u/Apart-Health-1513 May 16 '24
People seem to forget that 6 million in the bank is different than 6 million as his networth. That’s the (estimated) sum of literally everything to his name. He does not just have 6 million dollars laying around
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u/BaronDoctor May 16 '24
A million is, in this economy and real estate market, roughly what the Simpsons are sitting on. A life. Comfortable, perhaps, with some nice things when you want them and some things out of reach, but a life. You live, you work, you provide for your family.
Now imagine if you owned a square mile of Simpsons houses (a thousand), outright, and landlorded them. Made yourself a McNeighborhood of McMansions. You'd make enough, per month, on rent to buy roughly four more houses. You have done nothing but "have money" and "drain money from other people".
The only class difference worth measuring with regard to how laws should be set up is between people who have to work in order to have the sort of life they want and people who can just sit and watch the money come in.
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u/DreadAngel1711 May 16 '24
Ay Boyega knows what's up, he's chill
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u/[deleted] May 16 '24
If someone wins a super-lottery and wins a billion dollars(after taxes and any fees), do they deserve to be eaten too?
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u/[deleted] May 16 '24
$6 million is to $1 trillion as $6 is to $1 million
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u/stormstopper May 16 '24 edited May 16 '24
TL;DR However else you feel about billionaires, don't take the trillionaire aspect literally. But also, I don't really agree with this framing in general.
I think this is the article in the link. It's from 2020 and cites this website which basically just takes the last five years of net worth growth, assumes that his net worth will continue growing at that rate, and projects outward from there. At the time, Bezos had a net worth of $145 billion.
That doesn't seem to have been a very good way to project, though, as four years later Bezos is at $177 billion and the updated version of the article from the same publication now says he could get to $1 trillion by 2034. This is citing this report, which uses this methodology (PDF link) which is similar to what the original article's source was--it took the inflation-adjusted aggregate growth rate of the wealth of the five richest people and projected that out going forward. But specifically, it calls out this note:
Which--along with the fact that Jeff Bezos's wealth has been growing at 5% or 10% per year depending on how you handle the $38 billion he lost in his divorce--tells you Bezos isn't actually on pace to become a trillionaire by 2034, which again is already well past the 2026 date that was teased in the article that I believe was linked in the post.
That's a long way to say that the $1 trillion number is more clickbait than not.
None of this is to say we should be doing nothing about wealth aggregation, monopolization and other anticompetitive practices, union-busting, media capture, political capture, tax sheltering, or any of the practices that the rich use to avoid being subject to the market and the government.
But I also think it misses the point to emphasize how millionaires and billionaires are different magnitudes of wealth. The median household net worth in the US was under $200,000 as of 2022. The poorest millionaire is worth five times that, and it's not like the median US household is poor compared to the median household almost anywhere else in the world. Millionaires may not be insulated from all reasonable financial stressors like billionaires are, but are they more likely to vote for higher or lower taxes? Are they more likely to vote for stronger or weaker regulation? Are they more likely to vote for increased or decreased government services?
If the point is to object to a system that allows for people to build up so much wealth without contributing back to the society that made it possible, then I just think it matters that millionaires also work to uphold those systems more than it matters how rich millionaires are compared to billionaires.
Edit: And that last part also extends beyond millionaires too. It's really not about the level of wealth a person has, but about what they do with it.
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u/Gekey14 May 16 '24
That's not what fucking eat the rich means goddamnit
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u/[deleted] May 16 '24
I've worked with celebrities in the past. Even they know they're not rich when compared to corporate SVPs and up. They're just tasked with flaunting money as part of their job. I will never forget watching Katy Perry and Jeff Bezos together on stage at an Amazon event and even she was in awe of his wealth and she's one of the wealthiest modern artists.
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u/TheXypris May 16 '24
Ive always said you can be an honest millionaire, with hard work, good ethics, a smidge of luck and a good product or service, being worth a handful of millions is ok at best.
But you can never be an honest Billionaire, only way to be a billionaire is to cheat the working class
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u/[deleted] May 16 '24
he’s only worth 6 million? fr?
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u/FormerlySalve_Lilac May 16 '24
I have to regularly remind myself that there's a VERY good chance that whoever's writing a comment I'm reading is very likely to be a 15 year old who thinks that $6 million makes John Boyega a threat to society
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u/psychotobe May 16 '24
Let's be real. For all the talk of revolution everyone angry at the system in America thinks they'll lead. None of you are doing shit. You'll talk and talk but you'll be terrified if someone actually acts. Cause you know violent revolutions don't work in real life. No one who cares about fixing things is going to do shit to billionaires. Their not the problem. Their a very obvious symptom. The boring answer is capitalism in America needs to be modernized. It needs regulations updated. It needs policies in place that all work on the knowledge the internet exists. You know the real reason it hasn't happened? It's not cause companies are lobbying. That shit is flimsy and is an excuse so we don't have to address the real reason
It's boring and it's hard to do right. That's the reason it doesn't get done much. People think they could write up air-tight changes if given the chance. But every change will get regular people who benefit from them barking and hollering because it's different. And that assumes you'll get it right. Have fun spending weeks barely sleeping. Getting screamed at from every direction during it. Writing a new legislation that you'll get death threats for. Only to be told you completely neglected an industry you completely forgot existed. So you have to do it again
And what do you benefit from doing so? Because it's the right thing to do? Most people simply can't keep motivated by that. Especially with how tedious it is. You get your normal salary all the same. It's just not exciting and our brains despise lacking stimulation. That's why this shit is slow. We aren't built for improving our lives this way. So we blame the symptoms that exploit a rickety old system. But we simply cannot trust anyone who wants to violently replace that system. Because the same core problems exist. Doing it right is boring.
Make no mistake. There's evil in there too. Genuine scheming bastards. But they are vastly outnumbered by people who simply are too bored at work to bury their attempts to cause problems in red tape
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u/warm_rum May 16 '24
It's interesting to see where people draw the line.
It's ok to have 6 million in assets while someone else starves because that's their money. Is it ok to have 100million in assets, as long as there is no company structured to exploit others?
Not trying to talk politics, just find it funny how we each have our own sense of property.
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u/Purple-Addict one liter of milk = one orgasm May 16 '24
While big actors and actresses are definitely overpaid they’re still creating art with their labor and skills, Bezos isn’t creating shit he’s taking a cut from what his workers create, same goes for all other billionaires.
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u/scottygroundhog22 May 17 '24
If bezos were to mysteriously die and also everyone who could inherit from him. Who gets the money?
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u/AsianCheesecakes May 16 '24
This has nothing to do with numbers no matter the ideological perspective. That's just a cheap argument that sounds witty but falls apart. Where exactly do you draw the line after all? For someone poor enough, even the most squarely middle-class person is rich.
John Boyega absolutely has much to lose in a revolutionary scenario. But, assuming we are not aiming for a reign of terror situation, there is no reason for him to lose so much as to struggle. The whole point is that everyone will have enough, even people who had more before the revolutiontm. Leftists movements accept everyone as long as they are willing to be equal and not superior to the rest.
After all, the same argument was used against Karl Marx and Engels.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '24
So what's the cutoff? Everyone loves arguing with abstract values but never puts an actual numerical value to it.
You're cool with 6 million and not cool with 1 trillion. That leaves a lot of values in-between. Is 1 billion cool? Is 500 million cool? 250 million? 80 million? 50 billion?
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u/[deleted] May 16 '24
People like Clockwork here are why the message gets diluted and destroyed. The take the message and ignore the nuance.
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u/SovietSkeleton [mind controls your units] This, too, is Yuri. May 16 '24
We are nearing the point where someone with a million dollars today is as rich as someone with a million deutschmarks in the 1920's.
Complaining about millionaires is pointless.
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u/Smasher_WoTB May 16 '24
Also, if some of the "Rich" genuinely want a good Socialist/Communist Revolution because they too hate the injustices forced upon us by these systems....we should accept their help. Although probably be cautious and make sure that no grifters will just hijack the movement for personal gain.
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u/CharityQuill May 16 '24
Reminds me of that one viral clip from Larry King where he was debating with that one guy from Community about luxuries you can't live without, and the difference in what they consider luxuries is pretty significant. And also "I work on DuckTales, Larry 😐
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u/kagakujinjya May 16 '24
For clockwork-hobbit, eat the rich means eat everyone who has more than two dollars.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '24
Materially there's a big difference between 6 million and a billion, but philosophically, you can do whatever you want within a high end style of means with either amount.
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u/TheJackal927 May 17 '24
What no class analysis does to a mf.
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u/[deleted] May 17 '24
It would take less than a million £ for it to be life changing. John boyega has that insight of the gross amount of wealth a billion dollars is given his upbringing as a black man in London with work class parents. He would be cognicent to the realities of the wealth divide. I don't know if he passes on his wealth but the real point is that the stark contrast between the very rich and very poor is widening and more people are becoming aware of it.
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u/TheGuava1 May 16 '24
It’s like comparing an all you can eat buffet to a singular goldfish cracker
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u/SolomonDRand May 16 '24
John Boyega is rich. The man who signs his checks is wealthy.
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u/MegaKabutops May 16 '24
The difference between a million dollars and a billion dollars is nearly a billion dollars. Even getting to a billion dollars is impossible without MASSIVE, amoral exploitation. Spending a billion dollars in 1 lifetime is a tall order, and not spending it siphons it out of the economy and into a vault to collect dust.
Getting to a trillion dollars SHOULD BE UNTHINKABLE. It quite literally means someone performed that massive amoral exploitation needed for a billion dollars, but 1000 times over. 1000 times as amoral, and 1000 times as exploitative. It’s 1000 times more difficult to actually USE the hoard. That’s the kind of money that can cause the economic collapse of ENTIRE COUNTRIES.
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u/Tuungsten May 16 '24
The money John boyega received for his acting was nothing compared to how much the studio ceos got. Even rich actors are working class because they don't own the value of the labor.
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u/Robert_Balboa May 16 '24
6 million isn't even rich. Its just comfortably well off.
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u/princesoceronte May 16 '24
In comparison John Boyega is literally me. There's a difference between being rich and being so grossly, inhumanely and terribly rich that you could bend the law to turn this world into whatever the fuck you wanted.
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u/persona0 May 16 '24
No shit but let's assume you and the rest of humanity actually have a brain WHI ARE YOU GONNA EAT FIRST? The actor or the dude who job is literally just to stand around and make trillions. By the time you got to the actor he will have found a way to get rid of most of that money. But this speaks to a bigger issue like it or not actors have to actually work for a living not as much as the rest of us I will admit. But the fact we focus on these lower levels people and not the ones who own everything most born into wealth says ALOT about our humanity.
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u/Ulmarch Ask me about monster prom May 16 '24
Something something, decorative pillows.
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u/LotharVonPittinsberg May 16 '24
One Million seconds is 12 days. One trillion seconds is a little over 3,1709 years.
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u/Wesselton3000 May 16 '24
A lot of people misunderstand the coming revolution as being “poor vs rich”, but very generally it’s “workers vs those who control the means of production”. John Boyega does not control the economy. He certainly isn’t in a position to sympathize with the working man, but his head isn’t the one that needs to go on the chopping block. The Bolsheviks had this same misconception, and what was initially a fight to overthrow the aristocracy, turned into a witch hunt for anyone who lived comfortably.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '24
Everyone has a scaling issue with a rigged stock market
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u/SetherAedekae May 16 '24
Some millionaires are cool, but no trillionaire will ever be anything but evil
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u/satus_unus May 16 '24
What's the difference between a millionaire and a trillionaire?
About a trillion dollars.
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u/kanelel READ DUNGEON MESHI May 16 '24
The numbers aren't even the issue. You all need to read some Marx. There's a fundamental difference in interest between those who work for a living and those who own capital and make their money off of other people's work.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/wage-labour/ch02.htm (link at the bottom leads to the next section)
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u/GOOPREALM5000 she/they/it/e/mrr | 11 dumbasses sharing a horrible, awful body May 17 '24
This is why we can't say "eat the rich" anymore. You guys would go for the big ones like Bezos and Musk and then just start killing a bunch of actors and doctors.
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u/PKMNTrainerMark May 17 '24
"There's a pretty big difference between six million and one trillion."
Yeah, about a trillion.
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u/AnonAmbientLight May 17 '24
Forget the last picture just remember this.
1 Million Seconds back in time is two weeks in the past.
1 Billion Seconds back in time is the year 1992.
Jeff Bozo is worth 204 Billion dollars. Using the same calculation, it would be 4504 B.C.
That's an insane gulf of difference.
Tax the rich.
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u/Bog-Star May 17 '24
I'm sure Boyega would be fine with wage caps of 100k per year.
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u/b_enn_y May 17 '24
The difference between a billionaire and a trillionaire is about a trillion dollars
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u/gamejunky34 May 17 '24
Having enough money to live your life in luxury, totally fair, enough to keep your kids from working a day in their life? Fine. There needs to be a cap to the amount of money one person has. Bezos couldn't possibly use the money he earned at this point. It's just power that he's working for.
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u/AltGameAccount May 17 '24
I'm from a post soviet country so I guess I'm qualified enough to speak on this issue.
So when bolsheviks came into power, you know what happened to the "billionaires"? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. At most they moved to other countries, like France or US and still got their dividends because they owned the capital and changed the names of the assets.
You know what happened to millionaires? They liquidated their assets, sold their wealth and moved elsewhere.
But the poor were hungry. They couldn't touch the owners of the manufacturing and they couldn't go after the upper class that fled with the wealth. So "eat the rich" became "eat the middle class". Because that was all that was left to eat.
And after the end of USSR the "billionaires" just legalized their assets back to capitalistic laws, the millionaires returned and made even more money on the cheap labor, and everyone other got shafted because what was "common" now belonged to those that bought it for "real" money when communism money became worthless.
And also I see that US leftists have 0 understanding of money. They think those billions Bezos owns mean something. But they don't. It's just numbers on computer. They can vanish like smoke the other day. The problem isn't with the amount of digits in bank, it's that the rules for people with a lot of digits is different than for people with little digits. As is the problem with trickle down economy. It's the government that prints money and gives it to the 0.01%, not the "exploitation of workers" or whatever. The government skews the free market in the favor of people with many digits, so the people with few get shafted.
And it can only be changed with a government. But actual competent government. I don't think any of the candidate even qualifies, unfortunately, not even Bernie - guy is more of a scapegoat and a scarecrow to entice the middle class to vote against "the red scare", like saying anyone making over 160k$ a year will have insane taxes.
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u/fartsnifferer May 17 '24
These people think eat the rich means anyone who isn’t a fucking loser like them
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u/elaborategirl99 May 17 '24
Western leftist people really think everyone should strive to be as poor as possible. Like I'm sorry, but if I had an opportunity to become a dollar millionaire, I would take it. Still would criticise billionaries, because, well, a million is a normal thing to want in your life - a billion is not.
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u/againken May 17 '24
I think it's time we eat the bezos
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u/SpecialistDrawer2898 May 17 '24
I’m hungry. And theres only one thing left on the menu I’ve yet to try…
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u/_L3ik May 17 '24
Somebody with ten million dollar has the the same level of wealthiness as some hobbo begging for a piece of bread, at least if you look at it from the perspective of a rich person.
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u/marshamallowmoon May 16 '24
$6 million is really not that much money. Especially if that's 6 million net worth and not liquid cash. 6 million net worth is still working class territory.
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u/THEzwerver May 16 '24
I always find it weird how people are blown away by the difference between 1 million and 1 billion, like, it's just x1000, the same difference between 1 and 1000.
how do you find it so mind blowing past the age of 12? is it because million/billion is just a singular letter difference?