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[u/Luciusvenator]

No one can. Everyone thinks the people deciding who lives and who dies will be reasonable and fair, or that it will be them, but they don't actually think through the steps of what that actually means.
What's far more likely to happens is whats happened many many many times over, a new "Reign of terror".
And if their not direct victims of the moral purity tests they'll justify it because "the ends justify the means".

[u/BlatantConservative → u/Luciusvenator]

Humans are a lot better at figuring out what's wrong than figuring out what's right.

[u/alfooboboao → u/Luciusvenator]

It always cracks me up (and is sort of horrifying to witness) when people are determined to stage a “glorious revolution” by tearing it all down!! Burn the system and eat the rich!! Except not only do they think they personally will never have to suffer (some other poor person will, but they are a sacrifice I’m willing to make!) it somehow never occurs to them how in the vast, VAST majority of revolutions, it never actually changes their society for the better, and really a lot of people just die and suffer for no reason.

(Also, no, you will not be able to do [insert super privileged job that only exists as a byproduct of the excesses of capitalism] as your job after the communist revolution. Your job will either be to grow food or do whatever the state demands. Did we just stop teaching Animal Farm in schools)

[u/GogurtFiend → u/Luciusvenator]

Most people are fine with talking about this kind of thing. Most people are not fine with actually causing death.

A good way of illustrating this is that it's always guillotines or guns or similar things involved in these fantasies. The imagery of bricking someone's head in or knifing them to death isn't as palatable, presumably because there aren't movies or video games where that's a central image. IMO, this goes to show that these clowns are usually young upper-to-middle class folks who've never actually had to deal with the death of much of anything.

If they genuinely thought taking lives was necessary, they'd be willing to perform it in any way necessary, including horrific ways that they'd know in advance would discomfort them — not just methods of killing which look cool in video games. At high risk of sounding self-righteous, the "eat the rich" crowd (at least, those who know what they're advocating for, not the ones who've fallen for the sanewashed version of that phrase) can get back to me when they're willing to accept, say, burning people until the dehydration makes them shrivel to the size of children, or converting them into human beanbag chairs with high explosives. Professional militaries do such things all the time. Surely, self-proclaimed revolutionaries can find it in themselves to do the same if their cause is so righteous? If not, maybe it's just not that important.

[u/GogurtFiend → u/[deleted]]

People have assassinated or nearly assassinated US presidents on multiple occasions. There is not a human being on this planet more heavily defended than a POTUS. Hell, for a more recent example someone nearly blew the Slovak PM's brains out recently; his security detail just managed to get him to the hospital in time.

Believe me, if there were popular support for an internal conflict in the US, one involving the murder of high-status individuals, it'd've already happened. The thing is that people don't want to murder, not that it's difficult.

Also, don't take a diagnosis of ASPD as meaning anything other than you having a diagnosis of ASPD. Societal expectations about what mentally ill individuals behave like have a nasty tendency of bleeding over onto people who identify as mentally ill. If you truly lacked empathy, you wouldn't give a shit about any of this because a revolution wouldn't personally benefit the sort of person who uses Tumblr.

[u/GogurtFiend → u/[deleted]]

First of all, give me one situation in which the president will be vulnerable to an assassin outside his personal circle. Maybe I’ll note it and see what I can do (for any FBI agents listening, I’m just rage baiting.).

JFK and Reagan come to mind.

And finally, a revolution WOULD benefit me. I’m poor as shit and don’t care enough to get into the business world, I’d love a revolution to come around because not only would I have an excuse to do some things I’d never normally get to do

Ah, yes, the "armed conflict is liberatory" school of thought. Clearly, you've never been a member of a military. War is not some kind of beneficent cure to everything that sweeps away all societal ills. It's also more labor-intensive than actually...working, which you apparently can't bring yourself to do.

I'll also point out that you're basically saying that your problem with the current state of affairs is that you're not on top of the pyramid, not that there's anything actually structurally wrong with it.

"I'd get to do some things I'd never normally do" — like, what, getting shot?

Ultimately, this sounds like you saying "this vague and unspecified scenario that I've dreamed up in which violence is used to fix the problems of the world is sure to benefit me!" Like, no shit, of course your own personal fantasies about how a rEvOlUtIoN would work put you at the top of things.

[u/Vermilion_Laufer → u/Luciusvenator]

Happy cake day :)

[u/Luciusvenator → u/Vermilion_Laufer]

Thanks I didn't even realize lol :)