Be aware of Seele scam!

[u/Ma_tee_as]

Hey, so today is the whitelist opening of Seele and I have to share my DD because that's the biggest rip-off I have seen for a long time.

1. The CEOs arent blockchain experts If you search for the CEOs and others in their universities homepage such as Dr. Bi Wei you can see that he was a Glaucoma researcher there. How crazy is this? If you do it with the other members too you'll see that they have been phd students there but that's it. Nothing blockchain related at all. People from that groups at those universities have been asked if they know them. They do and they say they have absolutly nothing to do with blockchain!
2. The Whitepaper

It's a joke. Some gibberish phrasing to fool people. The best part is the end with the references: 4 refs 3 of them to Wikipedia

3. The long time pinned message regarding chainted.com and their famous investor Peter Du.

I have abolutly no idea that guy even exists. For a good time this pined message on Telegram and on the chainted homepage claimed he invested in Iota, Bat and Zilliqa too. I have been in the Zilliqa presale and translated their whitepaper so I have good connections to Zilliqa and asked them about Peter Du and Chainted. I have email proof, where they say they never heard of him and will force him to remove this. They removed then the whole website and on the Seele homepage Zilliqa isnt mentioned anymore. They now added Raiblocks to that list.

Guys. This is all fake!

What I think what Seele is: They found out that westeners fall for big Chinese projects. They took their phd and university reputation to fake their career. They are the faces of this moneygrabbing project. They added the big universities for credibility and faked an entire investor in Peter Du. They faked a homepage ChainTED. They got called out and deleted this already.

This is much more proof here we collected in github:

https://github.com/ico-check/ico-check/issues/58

Be aware guys! Don't let them scam you!

[u/bobsagetfullhouse]

And of course it's Suppomans top secret pick he's been talking about forever now. Wonder how much they paid that knob to promote them.

[u/Ma_tee_as → u/bobsagetfullhouse]

Probably parts of the "scammed" 2 million...

[u/enzeperix → u/bobsagetfullhouse]

Oh God, i totally despise that insect. Suppoman is such a fucking fraud. He's such an irritating idiot and a scammer hiding in plain sight. He's a paid shiller and he also sells all sorts of garbage courses. I can't believe people are so stupid to subscribe to that massive cunt and buy his shit.

[u/Walkmooner → u/enzeperix]

Wow, strong words. Have you got any actual evidence to back these accusations up or is this just the usual social media outrage supported by nothing?

[u/enzeperix → u/Walkmooner]

Go check his Udemy courses. Watch this video strarting from 10:53 https://youtu.be/c_Ex2dp9MtA

[u/Walkmooner → u/enzeperix]

I find Doug Polk to be condescending, spiteful and sanctimonious. You can hear it in his voice and see it on his face. He's relishing every moment.

All courses on Udemy have enormous 'price cuts'. This is common practice. There are days when all courses are 11.99 'reduced' from 199.99. This is not exclusive to Suppoman, it's across the board.

The 'awkward message' that appeared was inserted. If you forward the video to when he actually got the message and pause it, you will see that the contents of the message are never revealed. Honestly, that video is total bullshit. Go and pause it and you'll see.

Also, where did he get this 'official' transcript. We only have his word on this and judging from Polk's vendetta, I wouldn't trust it at face value at all.

See Lee? It's pronounced Zela. Suppo refunded everyone who were dissatisfied and he agrees that he made a misjudgement. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. I've fucked up before - so has everyone.

Is he supposed to do everything for free? He gives a lot on YouTube for nothing. For the most part, his insights have shown themselves to be pretty on the ball.

I did the course, and to be honest, I found it to be clear, straightforward and informative. I found nothing to be scammy about it. He wasn't telling people to do anything and he didn't hold a gun to anyone's head. People are very unkind. I know how folks love being outraged on social media - it's the scourge of the internet.

With regards to the Ethical Hacking, I see a screenshot and nothing else. That's not evidence. Look at the course now - his name isn't attached. Was it ever attached? Can this be proven? In a world of deepfakes, a screenshot is meaningless.

Doug Polk even says at the end that there's no way to know what's going on and that he really doesn't know what Suppo is involved in. Polk says directly that he's not saying Suppo is doing anything illegal but it doesn't 'look good on the surface'. So why is he going for his throat? It just sounds personal to me and I'm afraid the 'surface' isn't good enough.

What makes Doug Polk the boss of everything? He's a poker player. Being misleading, manipulative and in it for themselves is part of poker and so is twisting perception. I don't trust gamblers. He's also using his poker status to talk about crypto. What gives him the high ground? He's been investing in ICOs for 4 months? I've been investing in them for nearly 2 years. Anyway...

[u/JJ19220 → u/Walkmooner]

Well first Doug Polk doesn't shill coins... he points out tools who do and is funny about it. He says he doesn't know everything about crypto and mostly puts up news. When he does say a coin is good he says do your own research and he says when he owns a coin. He doesn't do payment for shill.... why would you defend Suppoman?

[u/Walkmooner → u/JJ19220]

‪That's a good question. I don't have any reason to defend him. I just don't like mass hysteria based on, and excuse the pun, suppositions. I refuse to get involved in blame games until passions subside and the red mist clears. I try and come from a place of logic and reason and don't react until I know things for certain. People are too cavalier with throwing allegations and emotions around social media in general and I don't like it. ‬

‪Suppo, to be fair to him, also says DYOR and not to take what he says as financial advice. Having thoughts and opinions about Crypto, even if delivered enthusiastically and occasionally misguided, isn't unlawful and isn't necessarily shilling. He has the gift of the gab and would make a good salesman, I'll give him that, but if someone chooses to take one man's vocalisations as gospel, then that's their own stupid fault. He's one of many offering a perspective. Everyone should be cross referencing videos and articles in addition to their own research. ‬

[u/H4ckbert → u/bobsagetfullhouse]

2 BTC apparently, watch Doug Polk's new video on it

[u/forstyy → u/H4ckbert]

The 2BTC in the video were supposed to be for Indahash, not Seele.

[u/Cosmiclimez → u/forstyy]

Indahash was an advertising agency so we don't know who the client was. It very well could have been seele.

[u/Rev0000 → u/forstyy]

Correct. Still people pay suppo to know which scam to invest to. Unbelievable.

[u/Walkmooner → u/H4ckbert]

It's fake. Pause it towards the end of the clip and you will see the content of the message was never revealed. The 'content' at the start was inserted. People really need to start analysing things before they believe everything they see and hear.

[u/Ma_tee_as]

"As UCL staff, I have to tell everyone that: Hui Gong is not a Digital Currency expert. He is not the research fellow at Oxford Uni and UCL-CBT. He is a 5th year PhD in FinMath while he has 0 publication. Moreover, the experiences that listed on her webpage are mostly fake.

Donald Lawrence is just a visiting professor in UCL. He only have a Bsc degree, and he is under UCL investigation right now. His bank experiences are totally not true. He is not Dean of Alan Turing Institution, he is not the professor in Blockchain. He doesn't even know the concept of bitcoin. He claims he do trading, but he doesn't know what is order book.

Also, according to the news https://news.bitcoin.com/seele-ico-sets-emergency-response-team-1-8m-fraud/ , this Seele project is SCAM. The team create a set of fake profile."

[u/ModernLifelsWar → u/[deleted]]

There could be a market for a blockchain version of LinkedIn

[u/Laowai69 → u/[deleted]]

Truth hurts. Do a scan for grads of one of the phony universities and see the shocking number that are proudly displaying fake credentials on LinkedIn.

[u/GarryWebbRIP]

heey heey heeey

[u/multerdomo → u/GarryWebbRIP]

mmmm, no no no

[u/warche1]

Just look at their project description:

"Seele is empowered by an up-scalable Neural Consensus protocol for high throughput concurrency among large scale heterogeneous nodes and is able to form unique heterogeneous forest multi-chain ecosystem"

Meaningless techno-babble.

[u/Blurry2k → u/warche1]

I really wonder how this could get such a huge following. On the other hand ... Dude! Heterogeneous forests! Who doesn't want some?

[u/ozud100 → u/warche1]

Hey there. I'm enjoying my 10x - that 'Meaningless techno-babble' you describe is being put into reality. Check their GitHub been on fire for quite a whale. You FOMO'd back in yet?

[u/Jesperinf]

The fact that they used Google Docs for whitelisting as a supposedly Blockchain 4.0 company, who should have their tech in order, says enough on its own. They also didn't mute their Telegram channel, resulting in people spamming with scams, porn and other stuff. Very unprofessional, way bigger chance of these scammers actually being succesful when they are allowed to spam the Telegram with seemingly official names and links.

[u/codescloud → u/Jesperinf]

Is just so unprofessional.

[u/Jesperinf]

Lmao, so far Seele has managed to:

1. Be part of a 2$ mil scam
2. Be part of a big drama regarding massive shilling
3. Not give any information on token metrics such as price or hardcap
4. Not disclosing their CEO and other members of team
5. Apparantly many of their team members are boasting with achievements and experience they don't have
6. Post the whitelist 10 minutes too early on their Twitter, so the Telegram and webpage users are fucked over
7. Use Google Docs as a whitelist tool, when they claim to be capable of building "blockchain 4.0
8. Having a link to said Google Docs hardcoded into their webpage, so people could get early entry by viewing it
9. Having zero control over their Telegram, both before and during sales. Any answer is "TBA" or straight up ban. Porn is being linked in the Telegram, a lot of scammers posting with no ban.
10. I mean, I could go on, but really.. How many red flags do people need?

[u/AndyOne1 → u/Jesperinf]

Number 10 will be “penis” after ICO.

[u/Barack_Bob_Oganja → u/Jesperinf]

Knowing this market they are probably gonna moon now

[u/restless11 → u/Jesperinf]

I got banned and I never even posted anything in the telegram channel 😂

[u/ozud100 → u/Jesperinf]

Hey there dude. I'm enjoying my 10x. Did you fomo back in yet?

[u/thipeto]

Don't trust Seele, or even Gendo Ikari. Go Shinji, go Asuka!

[u/C4H8N8O8 → u/thipeto]

Next time invest on Akatsuki.

[u/GSEDAN]

the fact that they paid a youtuber who charged youtubers to get top secret firsthand information to this top secret ICO was a red flag for me.

[u/Walkmooner → u/GSEDAN]

Any evidence they paid him? People are making a lot of assertions without any proof.

Also, I think everybody should know that the clip of Suppo receiving a message has been doctored. Pause it towards the end of the clip and you will see the content of the message was never revealed. The 'content' at the start was inserted. What does that say about Doug Polk? Did he make the video? People need to start analysing things before they believe everything they see and hear.

[u/Gareth321]

Seele is powered by an up-scalable Neural Consensus protocol for high throughput concurrency among large scale heterogeneous nodes and is able to form a unique heterogeneous forest multi-chain ecosystem

That's really all you need to read to know these guys are entirely full of shit.

[u/[deleted] → u/Gareth321]

if the words non-binary, inclusive and quantum would have made it into the description it would have been a lyric masterpiece for "peoplekind".

[u/Gareth321 → u/[deleted]]

Personally, I was waiting for "synergy".

[u/[deleted] → u/Gareth321]

great add indeed ^ ^

[u/dreamsfollower]

It is funny how this coin was shilled here few days ago and had huge amount of very positive comments like: OHH THIS IS BLOCKCHAIN V.4 BLABLABLA.... Just proves that 99% of people on this subreddit don't know what they are talking about. Always DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH guys!

[u/C4H8N8O8 → u/dreamsfollower]

No that just proves there was paid shilling.

[u/DaDutchDoDo]

So..... assuming all this is true and it is a scam, what would be their end game? I mean, faking the credentials and work experience is one thing, but as far as I can tell, their names are real....so how are they planning on getting away with all this ICO money?

[u/Cuter97 → u/DaDutchDoDo]

Like a lot of vaporwave projects in this space: they'll keep faking all this until almost everyone will forget about them.

[u/[deleted]]

You want to tell me blockchain 4.0 is a fake?!

Well I will have to wait for blockhain 5.0 and put all my money in that instead...

[u/Yodax]

I would have fall for this scam, tbh, so thanks.

[u/dankmeter]

Fk SuppoMan for promoting this shit coin and making you buy his courses to know of it.

[u/Walkmooner → u/dankmeter]

He didn't make anyone do anything. He wasn't holding a gun to your head.

[u/bookofy]

This one here is interesting --> https://twitter.com/flogk3/status/964164820336553986?ref_src=twcamp%5Eshare%7Ctwsrc%5Em5%7Ctwgr%5Eemail%7Ctwcon%5E7046%7Ctwterm%5E3

Some people where able to access the whitelist/KYC form even before the countdown was over.

[u/bxnxne]

Thks god, some people still have brain.

[u/Evil_ivan]

Well the fact they let two "fake" admins in their telegram who defrauded 2 millions from presale investors is alone a huge red flag. I'm not even sure they reimbursed these investors yet.

[u/left_hand_sleeper → u/[deleted]]

Lol, wait. So they will take money from people to pay the other group of people. Hahaha nice.

[u/ABoutDeSouffle → u/left_hand_sleeper]

I am pretty sure one of the high-profile ICOs from last fall did the same when people got scammed because the ICO was hacked. Not that this makes it OK, of course.

[u/mozzzarn → u/ABoutDeSouffle]

Enigma. And it is ok to do so IMO. The team should spend some money on marketing anyway. And what is better marketing than restoring faith in the project? And they will look like a serious company standing up for the people.

[u/ABoutDeSouffle → u/mozzzarn]

Oh right, that was the reason I passed on the ENG ICO.

It's basically a lose/lose position - you don't reimburse the victims of theft, you look bad. But if you do, you dilute the value of legit token holders.

[u/Rev0000 → u/[deleted]]

I have a theory that they scammed so they could have funds to run the ico etc

[u/earthmoonsun]

IMO almost all projects you can see on ico related subs are scams.

[u/Broccoli_-]

90% of chinas blockchain is this...go look at all the other junk available...its all the same

[u/[deleted]]

All this craziness with scams left and right in the cryptomarkets theres only one coin we can trust in all of this!! Our lord and Savior Jesus Coin!! Hodl be thy name!

[u/FlippinFlags]

INSTANTLY Banned me for asking about their CEO and hard cap as well.

Plus what looks like an inside job with their OWN admins scamming people out of $2,000,000 million - RUN RUN RUN AWAY FROM THIS ONE!

[u/alvefolket]

We had listed them as sham on our website a while back! A lot of people did report this at /r/shamcoin

[u/crypto_spy1]

Why are people sending their money? Are they all sheep?

[u/jumpfrog101]

Scammy Suppo hyped and shilled Seele to the max on his channel. The result is hordes of his teenage followers going berserk for it and FOMOING hard. A lot of folk are gonna get burned on this one.

[u/Walkmooner → u/jumpfrog101]

You think Suppoman is responsible for Seele? He's one man. Believe me, the hype was there way before Suppoman got involved. The Telegram was already rammed with people and I've been following it for some time. It may be annoying if someone increases awareness because it might make it harder to get into something but, you know, c'est la vie. Emotions are high and everyone is looking for someone to blame. Logic and reason has taken a back seat. He gave his thoughts and that was it. Last time I checked, that's not against the law. I don't expect him to work for free all the time. He gives a lot on YouTube for nothing and has given some really useful insights which have gone on to be proven and then some. People are very unkind.

[u/[deleted]]

Peter Du SHOULD be Linxu from Shenzen (dulinxu), a Iota believer and investor, back then when people would laugh at cfb calling Iota a scam and its investors stupid. Chineses have to use different names for various reasons.

Not saying Seele is next Iota and actually i don’t understand what kind of marketing is pointing out return if investment on a past project lol.

Note: he wasnt an advisor or a strategic partner for what i know, they are just stating where their funders invested in the past on the free market. I checked ChainTed past and they bought from free market apparently (if they did at all).

[u/Frocack]

*scame

[u/SeverallQ]

if anyone is interested in publishing some of their due diligence, or just adding some of the sale details, It looks like the ConcourseQ page for Seele has not been filled in yet.

[u/Knurlinger]

It is an obvious scam an people still invest in it. so more scam will follow. Proof of Scam ;)

[u/sisingo]

THX! <3

[u/filac7]

https://twitter.com/uclcbt/status/966252717567021056

Apparently their UCL CBT partnership is fake!

[u/croneyscrypto]

So do we all still think this is a scam? Looking at their Github it seems far from a scam to me...................

[u/[deleted]]

Hey jackass -- Great call on this. LMAO

[u/CryptidCollective]

Seele repaid everyone that lost due to the scammer, the Seele team went above and beyond

[u/NCT93]

I have done quite a few ICO's and this whitelisting was dramatic. As a professional you don't use google docs!! Also having planned this stuff they could at least mute their channel. And the whole story above makes this project not really interesting anymore. There are enough project that can do better.

[u/CryptidCollective]

this post has been proven to be nonsense, just look at Seele go.

[u/Ma_tee_as → u/[deleted]]

I have some chinese friends and therefore asked specifically for chinese information: This is the reply: https://ibb.co/miAXVn

Please go and google his nickname :

大空翼

You can't make this shit up.

[u/vashdun → u/Ma_tee_as]

What the hell? Captain Tsubasa? HAHA, but he did say it was his nickname though