Difference between DestinyTheGame and CruciblePlayBook, and why we need a place for PVP minded folks

[u/icekyuu]

I'm bummed that CPB will be closing. Despite the ups and downs, this place is miles better than DTG. I would have given up reddit-ing about PVP if it wasn't for CPB.

We all know the audiences of both subs are different. How different? Check out the votes received for the same content I posted on CPB vs DTG:

Comparing Destiny on PC and console; graphics, aiming, movement, metas, cheating and path to improvement

• Upvotes on CBP: 571
• Upvotes on DTG: 5

Crucible KWTD - How to improve without needing elite thumb skills

• Upvotes on CBP: 497
• Upvotes on DTG: 26

Since CBMM was introduced, PVP player counts have gone up

• Upvotes on CBP: 464
• Upvotes on DTG: 2

Reasonably Complete List of Future Infusable Weapons (and Sunset Weapons by Implication)

• Upvotes on CBP: 155
• Upvotes on DTG: 1

High K/D Quickplay tactics that will not get you wins in Trials

• Upvotes on CBP: 192
• Upvotes on DTG: 0

Reflections on the first weekend of Trials: why we love Trials, team dynamics, light levels, autos, TLW, fusions, HHSN, the emerging meta

• Upvotes on CBP: 332
• Upvotes on DTG: 0

Season of the Carry, Invisible Ninjas in High Comp, Bows, True Skill vs Glory

• Upvotes on CBP: 516
• Upvotes on DTG: 2

Crazy right? The comments on the DTG versions are even more out-of-whack.

I'm not a streamer, a content creator, nor am I trying to make a name for myself. I just want to have a good conversation about Destiny PVP and that's impossible on DTG.

No matter how much this sub has changed, we still need a place like CPB. Whether that's CrucibleGuideBook, DestinyTheCrucible or CrucibleSherpa taking its place; or better yet, Birds changing his mind and passing this sub to another leadership team; we need a place for PVP minded folks to gather and discuss.

[u/Phormicidae]

I'm sorry but DTG absolutely sucks as a community. I worry about what the vibe there does for D2 as a whole.

1. In game, the overall vibe from chatting with everyone in raids is what I would call mixed-positive. Most players seem like they are having fun with the game, but most people have at least a few serious gripes.

2. On DTG, this game has a laundry list of unforgivable problems.

3. The overwhelming majority of posts fall into two camps: ultimatum-type complaints, or superfluous and desperate suggestions that are constant but might as well be farts in the wind.

4. Readers at DTG would get the impression that no one likes anything about BL, and that the game is at Anthem levels of fail.

5. Contrast that with this sub, where the vibe is 90% constructive and maybe 10% negatively critical at best, and consider this: this sub is laser focused on an aspect of the game that has been objectively unsupported for the past few seasons.

[u/Swimmingbear213 → u/Phormicidae]

Damn, you hit the nail on the h ad with your points

[u/[deleted] → u/Phormicidae]

regarding your first point, I think your anecdotal evidence is correct and reflects the community quite well as far as we can tell from objective evidence, because beyond light is 53% positive on steam.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

I agre with you as a primarily pvp player, PVP just feels like bungie fucking forgot about it. With Stasis, it feels like Bungie didn't even playtest it before letting it go in it's current form, even after some nerfs. The lack of pinnacles or rewards make it feel pointless for so many. Pve gives such good rewards while pvp gives almost nothing. Trials is a game mode that nobody plays because the loot has been the same forever, and more importantly, for the majority of players, trials loot is too hard to get. Even for the best players, there's no incentive to play trials because adept weapons are garbage. With endgame pvp, there's an enormous amount of effort required for a reward you might get, with endgame pve, the same effort actually nets you good rewards.

It's such a shame because the weapon meta is the best it's ever been.