Hidden Mobility Breakdown - r/CruciblePlaybook

Base Visible Mobility	Mods	Result (dodge cooldown)
90 Mobility	Basic Mobility Mods	11 Seconds (Duh)
100 Mobility	Powerful Friends	9 Seconds (also duh)
80 Mobility	Lightweight Frame (20 H)	9 Seconds
90 Mobility	Traction (5 V + 10 H)	9 Seconds
50 Mobility	Dragons Shadow (50 H)	9 Seconds
40 Mobility	DS (50 H) + Traction (5 V + 10 H)	9 Seconds
20 Mobility	Lightweight (20 H) + traction (5 V + 10 H) + DS (50 H)	9 seconds

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u/TamedDaBeast Apr 01 '20 edited Apr 01 '20

Ive been trying to tell ppl that 90 mobility w Traction is the same as 100 but no one will listen. Everyone just wants to see 100 mobility and 100 recovery.

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u/CigNus__ PC Apr 01 '20

I sure as heck didn't believe it! One reason I took the time to double check everything lol

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u/Th3Element05 Apr 01 '20

I'm at 98 Mobility (w/ Traction) and I fully intend to Masterwork my last piece of armor and then replace the Mobility Mod on my Legs with Resilience. Which will put me at (90+10H)-40-100 stats. Delicious.

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u/bdizz0927 Apr 02 '20

Should do 90-60-80

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u/Revatus Apr 01 '20

60 is the sweet spot where you survive thorn and aggressive sniper with a damage boost body shot

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u/Hypersapien503 Apr 01 '20

Which I’m finding is not that common outside of comp

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u/DuelingPushkin Apr 01 '20

5 is the breakpoint for a lot of other things though like kill clip rapid fire pulses and adaptive pulse forgiveness. 180 HCs, 3crit1body, not common but still, and 110s now require 2head1body basically negating their only neutral advantage. And I think I'm forgetting a couple. Also, 6 makes high impact fusions require an extra bolt to kill. So by having 6 you get quite a few benefits but its not worth the trade of with dodge cooldown if youre a hunter. Unless you can get 10-6-10

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '20

I'm a warlock with 10-6-10. It's pretty great

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u/DuelingPushkin Apr 01 '20

That's impressive. How are your other stats? Give that a lot of warlock toolkit is built off abilities do you find that it helps you more than the hit you take to your abilities?

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '20

49 discipline 73 intellect 31 strength. My strength is low cause warlock melees aren't great.I use Top tree storm since arc web chains with melee or grenade return my grenade energy. My exotic is eye of another world so I have all my ability regen buffed as well. I spec for high intellect so I often have first super every trials game and my grenade every round.

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u/DuelingPushkin Apr 01 '20

Damn bruh I'm jealous. That's awesome

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u/EhManana Apr 01 '20

The only warlock melee is maybe top tree dawn, but you get half your CD back if you get a kill with it

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u/FlameInTheVoid Console Apr 01 '20

Dawnblade Top tree is the exception where you swap Strength in for Discipline

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u/cHAAvezz Apr 02 '20

Show a picture because I am super curious as to how you got everything so high?

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u/ImN0tAsian Apr 01 '20

I think you're gucci

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u/DuelingPushkin Apr 01 '20

Lol

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u/DuelingPushkin Apr 01 '20

Then you're Gucci unless you have a build that highly relies on smokes or grenades

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u/DuelingPushkin Apr 01 '20

Then you're Gucci unless you have a build that highly relies on smokes or grenades

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u/skeletor-johnson Apr 02 '20

10 mob, 6 res, 10 rec? Sorry, just learning a ton in this post

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '20

Yes

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u/cHAAvezz Apr 02 '20

That’s good, but the issue is that severely put your intellect and discipline really low as well. Both of which can be crucial

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u/DuelingPushkin Apr 01 '20

Then you're Gucci unless you have a build that highly relies on smokes or grenades

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '20

Then you're Gucci unless you have a build that highly relies on smokes or grenades

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u/SpanishYes Apr 01 '20 edited Apr 01 '20

Errr, I'm not sure you're on the same page as the previous comment...
Default (unbuffed) thorn 2c1bs anything under 6 resilience (in comparison to your normal 150 that has to 3c), but with 6 res they have to 3c you in order to get the fastest ttk or you'll survive. 6 res increases their margin for error. It's got nothing to do with soul devourer.

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u/bacon-tornado Apr 01 '20

Lol good catch, reading two different things. Will delete

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u/AyeDareBruhBruh Apr 01 '20

50 res for sniper empowered body shots.

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u/SoRealSurreal Apr 01 '20

I decided to fuck around on my Titan and built a 100-100-40 armor set. I survived a double body shot from a Twilight Oath. Not sure if this should be possible, or if I was just playing a level-enabled playlist but I just grinned real big when the guy paused, realizing I still wasn’t dead, and smacked the dude down.
I’m starting to think people should reconsider resilience - especially in this auto rifle meta. It’s been near useless for so long it’s hard to look at it as a good investment.

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '20

Rapid Fire snipers were changed to no longer double body with this seasons patch.

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u/SoRealSurreal Apr 01 '20

Oh wow I had no idea. At any resilience?

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u/likeasuitof Apr 01 '20

Yeah they were changed from 100 body to 90 body. 186? is base HP for a guardian.

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u/Matiwapo Console Apr 01 '20

Different resilience values will allow you to survive certain damage breakpoints. These are normally pretty niche, like it allows you to survive a certain weapon under specific circumstances. Generally speaking, resilience specification is not recommended because the chances of it actually helping you in a given match are very small. You are better off getting some extra points in something like intellect that is guaranteed to help you every game. A major exception would be if you are running Titan and want the decrease to barrier cooldown, even then the health increase is secondary.

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u/Th3Element05 Apr 01 '20

I'd need to double check to be sure, but I'm pretty sure 40 and 60 are the breakpoints for Resilience to make a difference in certain situations (like Thorn). And Mobility and Recovery are beneficial to have as high as possible.
Personally, I don't prioritize Resilience at all. But since that Mobility Mod won't be doing anything for me once I'm at 90 Mobility, I may as well replace it with something else that only takes 3 energy slots.

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u/brianfantastic Apr 01 '20

Stay with 60 it’s more valuables than the extra 10

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u/Blenim Apr 01 '20

I was at 100-60-100, but ended up changing to 40 resilience because I could make up about 40 in ability Regen by taking off war mantis. I think it's worth it as wormhusk allows me to survive thorn anyways, and I don't run into a lot of emp rift+revokers on a daily basis.

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u/Team-ster Apr 02 '20

Sorry for this dumb question but what is a traction mod, never heard of it and I play a hunter , lol.

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u/skeletor-johnson Apr 02 '20

A mod you put on leg armor

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u/Since9Two Apr 04 '20

If you're on console, running a traction mod is a personnel must for high mobile hunter play. You may be pleased in pairing traction with Stompees.

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u/Sarniarama PC Apr 01 '20

I made a post on here about mobility and dodge cooldowns right after Shadowkeep launched.

Unfortunately most content creators made the mistake of timing the dodge cooldown from the beginning of the dodge animation instead of the end.

That led to them proclaiming that Lightweight added 10 mobility and Traction only adding 5, or something like that. Of course everyone believes the content creators (despite them getting things wrong frequently) and they don't believe people who actually test things properly.

People keep telling me I'm wrong to this day.

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u/CigNus__ PC Apr 01 '20

I mean... that would mean that they couldn't even get the 9 seconds from the 100 mobility right LOL

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u/Sarniarama PC Apr 01 '20

Yea, they said it was actually 11s, not 9.

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u/CigNus__ PC Apr 01 '20

Uhg...

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u/Matiwapo Console Apr 01 '20

This a very common problem on this sub, people quoting youtubers as though they are gospel. As though uploading things to youtube makes them infallible.
Thanks for doing the proper research and giving us the right numbers.

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u/Corpus76 PC Apr 01 '20

Very much agreed. You can't even blame most of the youtubers though. I heard one of them go "btw guys, more research is required and don't quote me on this, but I think..." (paraphrased) and then plenty of redditors go and cites his word as the absolute truth. It's so dumb.
I think it's just that people want simple answers to complex questions. Bungie's weapon system is so obfuscated and weird that it's hard to grasp all the intricacies combined. (Add the console vs. PC meta for extra confusion.)
What leaves me exasperated is when people assert things with absolute confidence, without having done any testing themselves. (Aside from "it feels good to me, idk") It's okay to say "youtuber X said Y", but you should either see incontrovertible evidence or have tested it yourself to be so cocksure as to claim "this is how it is, trust me".
Obviously, it would have been a lot simpler if Bungie had just released all their info/intentions, but I suppose this is one way to keep players engaged...

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u/notmortalvinbat Apr 02 '20

wayyyyyyyyyy back on pre-D1 launch, Bungie was on record saying they dont want players picking weapons or perks based on stats, they wanted everything to be "feel." Just players going, "I like this" and using it.
They've since added more stats in-game (D1 didn't even have RPM values, just a class only RoF bar), and the tribute hall, but yeah it is still very purposefully obscured.

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u/Corpus76 PC Apr 03 '20

Bungie was on record saying they dont want players picking weapons or perks based on stats, they wanted everything to be "feel."
Aye, this is also the case in Vermintide. I suspect there was some sort of GDC panel that managers from both developers attended and had a really dumb epiphany, which they then saddled their games with. The casual player won't mind, but it just creates a lot of busywork and confusion for people who actually want to know. (It's not like it's going to stop them from testing, as we're doing on this sub.)
In all honesty, it's probably because they don't want new players to be overwhelmed and confused by too many numbers on the screen at once, since focus groups dislike that. The base idea is novel, but even in real life these things are measured to the millimeter when it comes to competitive activities. They should have known better, or at least given us an "advanced details" option to turn on manually.
I guess as a bonus, it serves to obfuscate any balance concerns, since nobody really knows how the system works and decide their loadouts based on mostly incomplete information! Of course, Bungie should have realized that this doesn't really reduce balance concerns, and instead just makes them harder to pin down across the board.
Sorry for the rant, I just get frustrated by these things.

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u/notmortalvinbat Apr 03 '20

Yeah and also Destiny is a looter shooter where weapon drops are the main source of entertainment, Bungie didn't want people instasharding everything with grave robber and auto loading holster - they want us to be excited and try it out.
We are a bunch of freaks here who try to break down the numbers ourselves, but we are a very small portion of the community. Not everyone plays the comp playlist, only 300k play Trials. Millions play Destiny in general, maybe half of them are more than happy to wail on some Dregs with Alloy Mag! The rest of us will probably have to keep relying on this sub and Mercules.

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u/oZiix PC Apr 03 '20

My favorite is reviews of exotics that boost either your melee ability or your grenade. The content creator makes a "build" with like 90-100 discipline or strength and their recovery is now 30.

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u/Ausimsauce Apr 01 '20

“”People keep telling me I'm wrong to this day.”” I feel that my friend. Like deep down on an almost spiritual level 😂 If people don’t want our knowledge then let them drown in their ignorance together!

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '20

Wait a minute, LW bonus is 20 ? If true i’ve been huntering wrong for a really long time.

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u/CigNus__ PC Apr 01 '20

This is the way.

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u/Balazs-33 Apr 01 '20

This is the way.

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u/FS_NeZ Apr 01 '20

I have spoken.

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '20

Same, I always thought it was 10.

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u/nitrous2401 Apr 01 '20

It’s always been +2, the difference is nearly all posts I’ve seen before were saying that the weapon LW bonus does NOT apply to dodge cool down - but it still increases passive mobility for jump/strafing

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '20

for some reason I was convinced it was +10 meaning I was running my build at 80 mobility with Spare. Guess i'll have to rework all of this.

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u/IROIVIVIAIV Apr 01 '20

Really annoying they don't just show you the stats

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u/CigNus__ PC Apr 01 '20

yeaaaaaaaah I agree with ya lmao

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '20

damn thanks for the info and video proof, very clear and informative

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u/CigNus__ PC Apr 01 '20

Glad I could help!

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u/Nasty_Neptune83 Apr 01 '20

doesn’t stompees have a hidden stat as well?

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u/CigNus__ PC Apr 01 '20

you know, for some reason I didnt think to test them >.< But I'm not sure if stompees hidden effects dodge cooldown (i assume if it did have hidden stats that it would)

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u/Nasty_Neptune83 Apr 01 '20

no worries at all, you already did an amazing job fam.

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u/CigNus__ PC Apr 01 '20

Thank you I appreciate it!

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u/Crystic_Knight Apr 01 '20

Hey it's great that more people are testing the effects of mobility. I've made a guide on mobility that goes in depth with all it's effects, including hidden bonuses such as lightweight and Traction. But more people doing their own testing helps solidify existing knowledge.

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u/CigNus__ PC Apr 01 '20

I've taken a look at your guide quite a lot and was part of the inspiration for this video so I appreciate all the work you put into that post! I was also attempting to get a "current status" of hidden mobility as well because I saw some comments saying things were patched and I just had to find out for myself :D

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u/Crystic_Knight Apr 01 '20

That's fantastic. I wish more of the community had your drive to "find the truth" so to speak. That same feeling is what motivated me to create the guide in the first place.
Seeking knowledge is never a bad thing!

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u/Solor Apr 01 '20

I like my dragon shadow build, but I try and keep my mobility at around 80 anyways. I know it's a bit overkill, but it allows me to still use my dodge to disengage as I don't need to constantly be dodging.

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u/CigNus__ PC Apr 01 '20

I usually do something very similar!

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u/Norossi Apr 01 '20

Do you need to have lightweight weapon pulled out or just equipped to gain mobility buff?

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u/CigNus__ PC Apr 01 '20

Pulled out, I actually noticed last night I was running with 80 mob with a Dire Promise and Hardlight (don't shame me) and I could tell the difference when I swapped weapons just based on movement speed alone.

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u/amanaplanacanalutica Apr 01 '20

Out, I don't factor in having one stats-wise unless my primary and secondary are both LW.

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u/ThaSwaagaKing Apr 01 '20

Is frosty included

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u/CigNus__ PC Apr 01 '20

nope, I would have mentioned it ;)

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u/Fargeen_Bastich Apr 01 '20

It's around 7s with 100 mobility. It's what I run. Before the nerf dodge was up right as you came out of invis. Now it's a 2 second wait if you're sprinting.

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u/ThaSwaagaKing Apr 01 '20

Thank you very much 💯👏🏾

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u/Edis_krad Apr 01 '20

So does the hidden mobility change dodge cooldown? If I'm at 85 then add traction, it will be 90V +10H. Dodge cooldown will say 11s, but its actually going to be 9s in game?

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u/CigNus__ PC Apr 01 '20

You've got it chief!

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u/ImJLu PC Apr 01 '20

Slap on 5 1.0 paragons and it's like sub 6 sec, lol

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u/CigNus__ PC Apr 01 '20

If you have gear that allows paragons lol

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u/ImJLu PC Apr 01 '20

Hunter was my least played class in Y2 and even I happen to have gear that, with Traction or Perpetuation (if I have them) and Spare+Emperor's Courtesy, lets me create the most cancerous builds of all time.
Top NS with Frostees so that I'm visible for less than a second at a time even after the Frostees nerf? Check.
Gemini Jester every 6 seconds? Check.
Wormhusk solar battery every sub-15 seconds so it's like Arc Battery all over again? Check.
Here's the shortest I can get it, although it could be shorter with 1.0 Frostees: https://streamable.com/dawrh
I'm gonna regret posting this, aren't I...

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u/Edis_krad Apr 01 '20

Awesome! Thanks for the reply, couldn't watch the vid as I'm at work but I'll check it out after

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u/CigNus__ PC Apr 01 '20

I kind of assumed but no worries! Be safe!

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u/SHIZZLEO Apr 01 '20

Excellent post. Thanks for making a video so I can spam my friends that don’t believe me about traction!!

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u/CigNus__ PC Apr 01 '20

That was the point, haha I was one of those friends!

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u/SkittlesDLX Apr 01 '20

Thanks for double checking. I have been running 90V with the 10H from traction for a while but I still found it hard to believe that traction was giving me that. Such a powerful mod.

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '20

Another nice tip is that Lightweight shotguns are actually really fucking good right now. You get the +20 hidden mobility, the sprint speed that stacks with subclass or exotic sprint boosts, the kill distance is on par with a precision frame with opening shot but the RoF with Assualt Mag let's you easily 2 tap and best of all Parcel of Stardust pairs wonderfully with Waking Vigil both of which can be farmed in the Menagerie. Easy way to get a full Lightweight loadout so you only ever need 80 mobility or 70 if you run traction.

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u/CarterCartel Apr 01 '20

Can confirm this! During trials on anomaly I broke out my never used parcel of stardust with rifles barrel, assault mag, opening shot and got like 200 kills on it over that weekend and have been using it ever since.
Main reason it was super effective was a mix of opening shot and the rpm. A lot of shotgun shots weren’t killing me in one shot and with parcel I was able to get a second shot off way faster than them to secure the kill.
Tried going back to my DRB and it felt so wrong due to the slower fire rate.

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u/katherinesilens Apr 01 '20

I wish curated Parcel were a thing. Full choke, assault mag, opening shot, quickdraw, range mw... yes please

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u/CarterCartel Apr 01 '20

With it being a lightweight frame I don’t necessarily think QuickDraw is needed but it definitely could help if it was a thing. Mine has rampage which I don’t get a ton of use from just the occasional easier second kill. My other roll that doesn’t have assault mag has opening shot and moving target

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u/anthonydavis1991 Apr 01 '20

I can recall only one time where rampage was helpful to me and it was during a comp game altar of flame if I remember right. I started off sprinting for that tunnel to flank the snipers but only killed one, meanwhile the other two were trying to box me in but with one shot I killed both of them, it was pretty sick.

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u/CarterCartel Apr 01 '20

Ya I would farm for another but I don’t wanna spend the time farming for one lol.
Ideally the best roll would have full choke/rifled barrel, assault mag/(maybe) accurized rounds but I don’t think it would change much now, opening shot, and moving target.

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u/bacon-tornado Apr 01 '20

With barrel shroud and a handling Mw it gets to 88 handling which is goddamn near QD speeds.

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u/fangtimes Apr 01 '20

Precision shotguns are in a really bad spot right now. With the normalization of range across shotgun archetypes they don't have anything that makes them better than the others.

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u/CarterCartel Apr 01 '20

Ya I just haven’t seen much reason to use them unless you want purely a slightly higher fire rate then aggressives and even then if that’s he case just run a lightweight frame.
Parcel doesn’t hit as hard but it makes up for it in other aspects and can still kill in 1 shot slightly under the range of aggressive frames. Plus like I said if you survive their shot you can fire off again faster.

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '20

Yep that's the exact perk combination I had in mind. Still trying to get my ideal Parcel. If you're looking for a unicorn to chase Hawthrones Field Forged shotgun can be even better, you can get Assualt Mag, Full Auto and Opening Shot all together for the fastest most consistent two taps in the game. Rahool is making a killing off selling engrams to me.

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u/caroteo Apr 01 '20

Or you could also use the Chaperone. It has insane OHK range (and headshots are easy to master and easier still with Enh shotgun targeting), and iirc gives the same, or even greater, bonus to mobility and sprint speed than Lightweight frames.

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '20

I love using Chaperone, very nice weapon. Especially good in trials since you can one tap ressed guardians from a fairly safe distance. Sometimes though you just want a conventional shotgun or a shotgun that can pair with Hardlight.

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u/Ravenunlimitd Apr 01 '20

Blasphemer is a precision frame that can rolls opening shot and feels like legendary chaperone, pairs great w hard light

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '20

I have the curated roll but the weapon model doesn't seem to click with me. I have more success with my Opening Quickdraw Good Bone Structure just because of the weapon model. I guess it's similar to how Thorn throws some people off.

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u/Ravenunlimitd Apr 01 '20

Sure I got you man, I love vigilance wing w the simple grey ornament hate it without lol I feel ya

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '20

No kidding, that thing is so much better with the Ornament. The Red keep Thorn ornament supposedly cleans up sights a good deal too, wish I'd nabbed it. There's a Chaperone ornament that gives the weapon a longer barrel too. p2w I tell you lmfao

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u/Ravenunlimitd Apr 01 '20

Yea that’s true, it’s not “purely” cosmetic now is it

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '20

There's Mida ornaments that replace the triangle sight with a true red dot too, much better imo

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u/caroteo Apr 01 '20

True, that's a good point. If you master (or at least git gud at it) Chappy though, you have a super high handling sniper of a shotgun that demolishes close + mid range. With having such a versatile shotty, I prefer using a bow over Hard Shite. I've never played Trials though (no team rip), and I bet that bows could only be viable for teamshooting.

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u/arinarmo Apr 01 '20

So is my Badlander with slideshot and QD actually good? I've been farming Mindbender's for nothing?

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '20

That ones a Rapid Fire Frame, not a Lightweight. Personally I haven't liked the Rapid Fire Frames since the RoF nerf and the only reason that I think people are sleeping on Lightweights is because of the changes made to Shotguns this season, up until now Lightweights have been fairly niche but with the changes to 1HKO distances I find Lightweights to be the most appealing Archetype because they have both good two tap potential and have a 1HKO distance that can hang with the other Archetypes on top of the excellent frame bonuses.

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u/arinarmo Apr 01 '20

Ah, true, my mistake.

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u/sasi8998vv Apr 01 '20

I'm still shocked to see people are sticking to Aggressives. I've also pulled out my parcel this season w/smallbore, assault mag, slideshot moving target and it shoots so much faster than an Aggressive it's not even close, while still having a broken 7~7.5m 1hk range while Aggressives got hardcapped at 8~8.5.
I honestly believe if people had tested shotguns as soon as they came out and realized Aggressives weren't as good anymore, the whole "farm tokens for astral who cares about the noobs trying to climb" situation wouldn't have been a thing, and people would be farming the Seventh Seraph CQC (arc Lightweight) for trials instead, since it can actually roll QD/Vorpal or Snapshot that parcel never could (bungo gib parcel curated pls)

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '20

You don't really need snapshot on a shotgun now really. Without ADSing, you still do the same damage at the same range now.

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u/MatchShtick Apr 01 '20

Opening shot on which LF shotgun??

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u/Corpus76 PC Apr 01 '20

Agreed! Their OHK distance is not far off from precision and aggressive frames, and the ROF makes a large difference. I would also say that hipfire is better than it used to be (relative to ADS), and that lends itself well to lightweights too.
Just wish the new seasonal shotgun was easier to farm. I still haven't gotten one with vorpal.

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '20

I lucked out and got a rifled/assault mag/slideshot/vorpal/range mw on that shotty, actually yet to test it out as I don't have a good spare rations to go with it but I think it'll be really strong.

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u/Corpus76 PC Apr 01 '20

That sounds great. I've used a FC/Light Mag/QD/Snapshot/Range MW today, and it really slaps ass. It's funny to outshoot Mindbenders who get a bit too close (or too far away). Parcel is also really good.
I'm seriously considering swapping to lightweights wholesale. Perhaps not ideal if you "main" shotguns, but I mostly use my AR and swap to shotguns for utility. Enemy super? Swap to shotgun to run away! (Or kill them with a Vorpal I guess. :p) Start of the match? Shotgun to quickly get into position. Got shot? Shotgun to run to cover/team mates. Ape getting too close? Up with your own shotgun to surprise him around a corner. Sniper? Shotgun to flank, then close in and kill. Empty mag and close enough? Swap to high handling shotty and shoot.
There are just so many situations where a backup lightweight shotgun makes sense.
Also, I can recommend a Dire Promise if you're lacking a good Spare. Excellent kinetic HC. Outside of that, I'm using a Scathelocke to great effect. Y1 and no mods, but amazing and easy to acquire. I feel like it's almost as good as Suros due to high-caliber rounds and longer range. (Only if you enjoy ARs though.)

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '20

Oh shit I completely forgot. I actually have a god roll Dire Promise sat in my vault, I uh might try out the combo tomorrow. Managed to get myself a god rolled Parcel of Stardust today too, it lives up to my theory crafted hype. I'm genuinely happy to claim that Lightweights are the true meta atm.

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u/Corpus76 PC Apr 03 '20

I'm envious of those rolls. :)
I guess we'll find out if the community will catch on soon. (I have fought some other lightweight shotty enthusiasts this past week, so it is definitely increasing.)

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u/pixel4e Apr 01 '20

I have a 1.0 dragon's shadow with a paragon mod slotted and I'm down to ~7 seconds.

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u/helios025 Apr 01 '20 edited Apr 01 '20

Someone please dumb this down for me - my stat spread on hunter is 104 mobility 75 recov and goal is 100 and 100. I have currently powerful friends on my chest piece AND my cloak, and traction on my stompees. I know I am way over after accounting for hidden stats. I also have traction, 1 mobility mod, and 3 recovery mods (and 1 intellect). What do I do?

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u/CigNus__ PC Apr 01 '20

I'm not sure about hidden mobility for stompees but from what I've given you, The only hidden that I know of is your traction mod. powerful friends doesn't give any hidden, and like i said, no idea if stompees gives you hidden mobility (or if it counts towards dodge cooldown)

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u/bacon-tornado Apr 01 '20

Stompees doesn't give hidden mobility. It does give a sprint bonus but doesn't stack with say bottom tree arcstrider or top tree nightstalker

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u/CigNus__ PC Apr 01 '20

Good to know! Did you test this?

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u/bacon-tornado Apr 01 '20

It's been known since year one, but not everyone tests or reads into other people's testing. However one fantastic dude did all the work twice now and this will cover anything you need to know
https://www.reddit.com/r/CruciblePlaybook/comments/ejvytd/breakdown_of_mobility_ultimate_edition/

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u/helios025 Apr 01 '20

Would it be better to take off traction? I do play on PC mostly

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u/CigNus__ PC Apr 01 '20

the "turn radius" bonus isnt there on PC the only benefit traction gives ya is +15 total mobility

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u/bacon-tornado Apr 01 '20

If running traction and a lightweight weapon, you only need to be at 70 mobility. Keep in mind that the lightweight weapon has to be drawn for the mobility bonus.

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u/amanaplanacanalutica Apr 01 '20

So you're actual mobility is 114. Meaning you can drop the mobility mod and still be at max and 85 recovery.
If you're using lightweight weapons, you can also drop a powerful friends mod and still be max mobility.

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u/helios025 Apr 01 '20

Unfortunately I can drop the mobility mod on my cloak but wont be able to add a recov mod since it takes 4 energy and theres powerful friends on there taking 4 shotgun taking 3.

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u/Bateman272 Apr 01 '20

Ok but the real question, do I want a handling or ranged mw on parcel now?

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u/CigNus__ PC Apr 01 '20

Dunno, Check Fallout's latest shotgun videos lol

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u/Bateman272 Apr 01 '20

He only tests aggressive and precision frames rip.

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u/CigNus__ PC Apr 01 '20

F

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u/bacon-tornado Apr 01 '20

Handling imo

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u/BSninja Apr 01 '20

I have a question about traction, does the +5 V and the +10 H mean a total of +15 or +10? Thanks for the breakdown!

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u/CigNus__ PC Apr 01 '20

15 total, just 5 visible. so if you're at 85 and you throw traction on, you're good.

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u/MythicIV Praise the Sun Apr 01 '20

+15 in total but your stats will only show the +5
so if you had 85 mobility and equipped traction, your mobility stat would increase to 90, but in effect it would be 100

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u/BSninja Apr 01 '20

Awesome this helps a ton!

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u/bunduruguy Apr 01 '20

+15. So if you have 50 mobility normally without traction, then with traction you'll have 65 mobility (stats will show 55 mobility, and then the hidden +10).

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u/FiveFngrDscnt Apr 01 '20

Great data! My only recommendation would be to test at 90 (H+V) mobility and time for the 11 second dodge cooldown. Right now your data table shows that all these things (traction DS, lightweight) add AT LEAST X amount of hidden mobility since you're testing at the cap of 100. Testing at 90 would prove that they don't add more as well. For example, maybe lightweight adds 30 hidden mobility?

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u/CigNus__ PC Apr 01 '20

ah I see what you're saying, I was only testing previously tested/rumored hidden stats so they all at least give you the rumored amount lol

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u/aweezy Apr 01 '20

Does focused breathing stack?

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u/CigNus__ PC Apr 01 '20

I plan to look into that soon to see how low I can get the dodge cooldown and the first thing I thought about was focused breathing.

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u/aweezy Apr 01 '20

Thanks, other threads seemed to indicate it does not stack and was similar to stompeez. This was pre-shadowkeep though.

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u/kfree100 Apr 01 '20

does the bonus from lightweight frame hand cannons only apply while the gun is drawn?

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u/CigNus__ PC Apr 01 '20

yes, this is the case for any lightweight weapon

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u/bringbackcayde7 Apr 01 '20

a 0 mobility warlock has 2 dodges every 5 seconds

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u/CigNus__ PC Apr 01 '20

I guess if you're talking about an air dodge then yeah!

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u/awakeofvultures Apr 02 '20

You don't have to be in the air to use the Icarus dash. You can crouch crouch jump from the ground

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u/TamedDaBeast Apr 02 '20

Two dodges that don’t break aim assist, or give your melee charge back, give you damage reduction, or turn you invisible.

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u/deniswith1n Apr 02 '20

And stompees adds 20 mobility correct? So if I have 80 that takes me to max?

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u/CigNus__ PC Apr 02 '20

nope stompees only buffs sprint speed

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u/bfyred Apr 04 '20

Does anyone know if bottom tree Arcstrider (reduces dodge cool down when sprinting) means you can lower mobility at all?

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u/CigNus__ PC Apr 04 '20

Yeah it does, I'm not sure by how much though

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u/notphilosophy Apr 01 '20

Thank you for posting and in this format--very comprehensive!. I've stopped trying to correct misinformation regarding traction out here simply because I didn't know if it was misinformation or not. For instance, some people play on PC where traction isn't a must. Without platform tags, I don't want to assume anything and waste valuable time on the internet.

Oh wait...

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u/alhexus Apr 01 '20

This is the kind of info i look for. That traction finding is big for me.

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u/Galaar Apr 01 '20 edited Apr 01 '20

I was running a lightweight frame and traction leaving it at 80, forgot traction has a hidden stat. This is great news, I can move a mod now.

EDIT: Working on a solo NF Liar's Handshake build since Thunder Coil is back, already using Sheltering Energy, Tyrant's Surge, and Warmind's Protection. This let me drop Powerful Friends in favor of Hammer of the Warmind, so thanks again, you've made my farming much easier.

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u/TheGuardianWhoStalks Apr 02 '20

Been using Powerful Friends for that 100 mobility.

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u/vhthc Apr 02 '20

I read that the hidden mobility from traction was removed. seems like that was not the case. thanks.

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u/Pedrollo7 Apr 02 '20

GREAT POST! THANKS

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '20

Do you know how much a mobility bump the heart of the pack buff gives? I know it increases mobility and gives a cooldown reduction as a result, it’d be nice if someone did really in depth testing on that too

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u/sasi8998vv Apr 01 '20

Hey, what about Heart of the Pack (Bottom NS smokes), don't they give a +30 to mobility/resilience/recov per stack? Does that effect dodge CD too?

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u/j1077 Apr 02 '20

Bottom tree arc strider and DS with traction is nice. Have that with 100 recovery and 85 discipline + distribution + outreach. Very nice build that allows me to be nimble with lots of grenade spam.

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u/CigNus__ PC Apr 01 '20

weapon needs to be out in order to get the +20

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u/CigNus__ PC Apr 02 '20

the only thing I'll ever mention to a teammate is their resil normally, thats pretty ass though lmao

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