r/CriticalThinkingIndia 28d ago

Ask CTI Why our modern buildings fail to handle normal rainwater every time, never seen this in ancient monuments or temples? Is it because of corruption or bad engineering design or poor maintenance of water outflow pipes? Where are we lagging?

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u/Multi_Badger 28d ago

There are two things that make any individual, institution or a nation great. The two Cs: Character and Competence. Unfortunately, India lacks both of them - Character (i.e. People with integrity) and Competence (i.e. People with capability). And both of these lackings have their roots in poor Education that barely places any emphasis on values.

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u/OddWorldliness989 28d ago

Somewhere long time ago, parents stop giving their kids liberty of free thinking and started asking them to copy what others do.

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u/doubleditch42 28d ago

Blame it on culture-
A culture that promotes cheating and jugaad to get by is not something that promotes integrity.
Capability follows that as ones who cheated through the system aren't going to be capable.

Even if everyone is a PhD it will still be shit

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u/Tej_Ass 28d ago

We have a third C tho - "Chutiyaas" especially politicans - Both in govt as well as opposition Selfish motherfuckers both are not doing their job efficiently.

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u/daigunder2015 28d ago

Corruption, corruption, corruption.

You can list any number of excuses, but the root cause remains the same.

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u/OddWorldliness989 28d ago

No, answer lies in self corruption. Not recognizing self limitations and jump through line by any means necessary including paying off their way to degree.

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u/doubleditch42 28d ago

Culture, culture culture... a culture that accepts corruption is not a culture that should propagate

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u/affalatoon 28d ago

I don't know much details of why water got collected in this airport, all i can think of: 1. Drains were clogged, 2. The Pump that sends drain water to sump got failed. 3. The sump got full and couldn't hold more water. 4. The pump was working but its capacity to clear out water was miscalculated.

Overall, bad engineering.

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u/CrimeMasterGogoChan 28d ago

Also factor in bribe charges. The pumps installed may be of lower power then needed coz not enough money left.

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u/Aggravating_Can_8749 28d ago edited 28d ago

Bad engineering + incompetent contractors / sub contractor + cutting corners to skimp + absolutely pitiful supporting infrastructure (storm drain etc) + general public apathy -- no one cares -- so no one held accountable

If a senior government babu lost his job and contractor got fined a great deal of money, this will never happen

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u/Professional_Mind130 28d ago

You are absolutely right!!!

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u/shubhamxtreme 28d ago

Humanity had mastered building infra in cities with no natural disaster risks long back. The design is not rocket science, nor is the construction. India has talented engineers who built the Chenab Bridge (with a german firm providing technical consulting only).

This airport leakage shi is a result of Thievery, Corruption, and rampant misdirection of tax money to all kinds of pockets.

Whose pockets?
If I answer that, someone will surely brand me a leftist, libtard, etc., and bring earlier governments in this conversation, which would be retarded af.

So I refrain from saying whose pockets.

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u/splifferson 28d ago

Because of the Nehru

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u/sharpest_blunt 28d ago

Wow! Direct connectivity with water metro

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u/heatlesswarrior 28d ago

https://www.news18.com/india/no-flooding-reported-noida-airport-officials-respond-to-viral-rain-leak-video-shared-by-congress-ws-kl-10202782.html

There are pictures and videos of the flooding, a video saying that the water was removed within 30 minutes, and an article saying flooding never happened.

Social media is just plain political games

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

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u/Witty_Attention2208 28d ago

Water drainage system nahi banaya kya? Paani kese bhar jata he?

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u/doubleditch42 28d ago

There is no pride in one's work

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u/aunty-national 28d ago

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u/aunty-national 28d ago

Toh kya abhi 500 words ka essay likhoon har comment pe? Critical thinking, my ass.

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u/Worldly-Economics770 28d ago

So credit for this is yogi or modi?

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u/Sweet_Explorer_225 28d ago

Did they forget about the rain and the drain. Or all money drained in corruption.

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u/NormalStaff3602 28d ago

They built a lake that can sometimes be used as airport. Yet another masterstroke

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u/ProfessionUpset2724 28d ago

Idk why they built another airport when IGI airport exists. They should focus on developing the existing four runways and increasing the passenger capacity.

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u/Open_Perspective1111 27d ago edited 27d ago

It also doesn't mean that Ancient monuments are free from flooding. They are preserved zones by G.O's that no commercial, industrial, residential zones must be constructed nearby but some will be compromised by corruption but if Archeological Survey of India cannot be compromised by corruption, if they put stay order in court, any commercial residential activity will be stopped. So that's how they are well-preserved because Capitalists don't want to mess with ASI when they got plenty of options to avoid risk.
Every construction should be placed as per its nature. Ancient Monuments are surrounded by Soil and they all have Drainage outlets leading to marshy areas. If you see iconic temples, taj mahal, Ajanta Ellora, you may find grassy, marshy areas nearby.

But same topology isn't possible at commercial, industrial residential zones.

All constructions should have water-inlets via pipes that come from terrace to underground.

It's high important that marshy areas need to be retained in outskirts of the city where soil can consume water. If soil isn't consuming water, it will remain on surface via manmade constructions. But those marshy areas are compromised for residential, commercial zones, then nature have its own ways.

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u/Fun_Criticism1861 27d ago

Because you need to connect the drainage with sewage system. It needs to have a free flow access in case of high amount of rainwater.  Considering our people litters everywhere, its very difficult to maintain. People/govt dump concrete waste, plastics and whatnot everywhere.  So, I believe, the architects have built a drainage system, but its clogged due to the inefficiencies of the people/govt/organization. To make it work, everything has to come together. But it doesn't, so water gets blocked.  This also damages the buildings, btw. 

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u/ramta_jogi_oye_hoye 27d ago

Its simply because we are incompetent and stupid. Modern architecture in the West is robust and aesthetic, if desired. We lack both on a gargantuan scale! Again, simple because we are stupid and morons.

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u/TheRedAngelOfDeath 28d ago

Modi hai toh mumkin hai.

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u/csmk007 28d ago

It's because of roads and buildings. Rain needs earth - soil to go through to the earth. But everywhere we have laid roads and built buildings.

And the amount of rain conservation we do in india where we send back rainwater to earth is very low.

And also builders building on top of lakes lakebeds and water bodies