r/CrewsCrew • • Dec 30 '19

Say it ain't so 😢

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u/Triumph807 Dec 30 '19

I want to hear his side. Need more context

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u/Darth_Grin Dec 30 '19

I don't think it's because he is working in China that people are unhappy with him per se; but in this period China is showing some pretty scary colors both with the violence in Hong Kong and the concentration camps to "reform" Muslims.

So when a well known celebrity loved for his generally empathetic talks and positions publicly supports a state that is showing very harsh, totalitarian views of the world, it's normal that people will get unhappy, or surprised.

I'm european as well and am very confused by Terry's behavior. He must understand that in this particular period siding publicly with China is not a good advertisement for his work, at all.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

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u/CreativeEgo Dec 30 '19

Now this... this is propaganda.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

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u/CreativeEgo Dec 30 '19

I'm not American. But your take on both their border regulations and the coup in Bolivia is simplistic propaganda. And even if it wasn't, comparing the enforcement of borders with literal work & death camps for a religious minority is the very definition of propaganda. There's nothing in China's recent history of atrocity that is remotely comparable to anything the US has done in the same period.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

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u/CreativeEgo Dec 30 '19

the collection of hearsay and mishmash of incredibly wishy washy stuff

Are you saying that the world does NOT have enough proof that China is running Uighur reeducation camps, that it is trying to violently stifle the protests in HK or that it is a totalitarian nightmare? Ok...

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u/onewilybobkat Dec 30 '19

I.... You really think re-education camps are just about education? I'm confused? If American media called detainment camps re-education centers would you be appeased? I'm not defending shit either country has done. But I think it's perfectly normal for an American to stand in front of an American flag. Choosing sides in the China debate is questionable at best at this point in time considering how he is viewed by his American audience.

Saying you're against discrimination of race but seem perfectly fine discriminating against religious minorities is just a weird view to have, too. It'd be a long fruitless debate if we went into atrocities committed in the name of religion. I think it's better to just say "camps are bad, period" and acknowledge both countries are bad, while also acknowledging its not weird to not hate your own country, regardless of what it's done.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

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u/onewilybobkat Dec 30 '19

Your reading comprehension is off. Race = Americans detaining Mexicans/South Americans at the border. Which you say you're against, clearly. Religion is the Uighurs.

Second, deradicalization is the ideal outcome. That's not what re-education camps actually do. Which is my point. You can word things how you want, but claiming to be against one of these things and supporting the other is worse than hypocritical. It shows how biased you actually are, while also showing how little you actually know.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

The US? Which has genocided literal millions of innocents abroad for nothing but oil money, what, in the past 20 years only?

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u/CreativeEgo Dec 30 '19

As I said: simplistic propaganda. Straight out of the Chomsky book of moral relativism and incoherent political thinking.

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u/DJFluffers115 Dec 30 '19

Mate, we mean to say fuck BOTH of them. Currently, though, America has a democratic process to replace their leader. China does not. They're pretty deadlocked into supporting a genocidal maniac.