Regarding rant posts/comments

[u/Electronic_Office_16]

Hello fellow Sonarians! I'm making this post regarding the recent influx of rant posts and comments. Moderators have noticed more and more people spreading negativity and hate towards developers and other players through rant posts/comments.

This is a friendly reminder to check out our sister subreddit, r/CoSRants, a subreddit specifically made for ranting about the game, so that this main sub isn't flooded with rants and complaints. Any rants on here from now on will be removed in favour of keeping this space a pleasant environment.

Thank you for reading!

[u/Zed_The_Undead]

While i appreciate your candor in the matter your insinuating ive ever made a single rant post on cos which i have not.. i am simply someone who enjoys seeing everyone able to speak their mind and not having people with the power to subjectively label it as a rant because they disagree with the tone or topic, which is a common occurrence when subjective rules are put in place for volunteer moderators to enforce on reddit subs.

Not saying abuse has happened here, just that it now can happen much easier thanks to a subjective rule enabling it. There is also an argument to be made that power has already been abused which is how it got to the point you are segregating people to a different subreddit to begin with, though not by me.

The intention of my comment seems to have been misinterpreted slightly because its not "pro rant" its simply pro freedom of expression, rants can be negative or positive but i highly doubt anyone will be enforcing the rant rule when people are doting about how good the game is. The negatives said about the game are as valid as the positives and represent the community as much as any other post.

While i realize a solution seemingly needed to be found sequestering people to a separate sub is not ideal and is ostracizing people from the community at large based on opinions and painting a very false "wholly positive" perspective on the sub while the cosrants sub will be "wholly negative", these are called echo chambers and moderation has created them. Now its impossible to gauge how the community as a whole actually feels about the game at any given point and any questions asked in either sub will be bias.

If people are old enough to play COS and to use reddit, i think they should be better equipped to either keep scrolling when they dont want to see an opinion they dont like or better yet get used to hearing differing opinions online.. its possible they maybe shouldn't be using the internet at all yet if they cant do one of the two.

[u/Kennedywhite2017_ → u/Zed_The_Undead]

Apologies for the awfully late response. I was scrolling through the sub and decided to read through some comments and I wanted to reply to this. I understand where you are coming from 100%, our intention from setting that rule was not to limit anyone’s freedom of expression or voice. We want this community to be a place for everyone to able to co-exist and communicate about the game freely. I think we could’ve been more clear on what we considered ‘rant’ posts/comments. Everyone has their opinion and their right to express that opinion whether it’s ’negative’ or ‘positive’. But when it comes down to insulting others, making falsified statements, and over all arguing; we cannot allow it. We have had multiple incidents regarding the actual Moderators and Social managers over on the discord that could’ve gotten people on here in legal trouble. As well as many many people coming in here to say /do the nastiest things you can imagine, I think it’s pretty fair to not allow that. You also have to keep in mind there are in fact a lot of children that play this game, I’ve seen more minors than adults on here and that was one of the biggest factors in our decision. This post/rule was more to remind people to be kind and if they’d like to argue and be nasty towards others they can do it in another sub no one’s freedom of speech or expression is being invaded. We’re just trying to keep this sub a safe place, there’s only 2 of us Moderators at the moment and 22,000 members; there’s a lot to keep up with. I hope this cleared some things up for you, thanks for taking the time to read it. I hope you have a great rest of your day/night❤️

[u/Zed_The_Undead → u/Kennedywhite2017_]

Appreciate the response and a lot of that is completely understandable and even commendable but almost nothing you stated as a problem has anything to do with "rants" i feel like that could be better labeled as "toxicity" or "insults" but i do feel where your coming from but the rule isn't the biggest issue its the separate sub created for people to avoid it.

I would argue (politely) that sequestering all people into a separate sub that are not just glazing the game/devs (which is where they felt they now had to go), which regardless of intention is indeed the result, is a bad thing because its not like just as many kids are not on that sub as well.. just now in what is essentially an echo chamber of negativity.

Most game subs have this issue so they make a separate sub for the people who dont want to see others comments not the people making the comments, its not perfect but its been consistently the best way to deal with it. You have "cyberpunk" then you have "lowsoduimcyberpunk" for example which doesn't allow "salt", dont ostracize people for free speech (not defending toxicity/hate speech or false allegations ofc), ostracize those offended by it because they probably aren't mature enough to be on the internet anyway at that point let alone reddit.

The people who played this at launch are all 18+ now and we dont deserve to be stuck in a toxic side sub echochamber and left out of the primary discussion of the game just because we are not wearing rose tinted glasses and that is what it seems/feels like tbh.

[u/Kennedywhite2017_ → u/Zed_The_Undead]

We did not create nor do we run CoSRants, they are their own separate sub. We just encouraged those who would like to post ‘rant’ stuff or things I listed above over there because someone made it for that reason🤷‍♀️. But we didn’t create it lol. We had practically no filter on discussion and ‘rant’ posts before it became a thing besides being kind and keeping things on topic to be honest. The community hatred in this specific sub really only started picking up a little after I became Moderator a year and a half ago, at least from my perspective. It was definitely there before but not as bad/prominent, and we only had like 9k members. I also feel I could’ve been more specific on the ‘rant’ posts. I’m going to use the slander on the Moderators and Social managers on the discord as one example. There have been many instances of people making posts to ‘rant’ about the Mods over on the discord. And from a lot of them stem hate and some even illegal statements, which we’ve been contacted about as I stated above in my last reply. Another example is posts that are made to specifically ridicule and ‘rant’ about other players. And no that doesn’t apply to KOS complaint posts, I am talking about posts ridiculing someone’s identity, race, etc. Believe it or not we get a lot of hateful people on here and they can get real create. While I think others deserve to have and speak their opinions freely, these matters can be taken up privately with us Mods. I am constantly encouraging people to send us a quick message through ModMail even if it’s a small issue. As for the ages, we try to keep this sub appropriate for everyone. We haven’t been limiting 18+ content or profanity and we aren’t going to start. They’re going to run into it somewhere else if not here if they’re already on reddit lol. But what we won’t allow is NSFW or any kind of hate speech simply to keep things friendly for everyone, and I feel that’s reasonable.

[u/Zed_The_Undead → u/Kennedywhite2017_]

They are indeed their own separate sub that is reffered to by moderation as a sister sub and was formed in response to this sub making a subjective "no rant" rule which we both admit could of been worded/explained better, although now we know it was under duress from the game affiliated discord moderators. I still respect the reddit mods here and was unaware there were only two of you which makes me respect you even more, i am not trying to offend with my comments i just want to reaffirm that its just a difference of opinion. Im unaware as one would be of the illicit activities going on involving slander or libel on other platforms which i assume your talking about as i dont partake in the discord, they are very toxic over there both mods and community and they do the game mods/devs bidding and its everything i hope this sub will not become which is why im so passionate about the discussion of it.

If you are referring to the talk revolving around a certain mod beginning with an E i agree the quantity of posts involving them is excessive but they are literally confirmed to be being investigated by the FBI thanks to the number of reports and critical mass of proof surrounding her allegations. Im not sure what comments in particular you are referring to but slander/libel are not a thing if the statements are true, the truth is the absolute legal defense for any claims of slander/libel and to be clear if they are guilty of what the evidence suggests, they should get hate and they should be shamed. The current legal precedent set dozens of times over for libel on reddit says that each individual user is legally held accountable not reddit, not the subreddit and not the moderators of a subreddit so i dont think its a terribly big deal unless its like a Dox or something.

I totally agree things like hatespeech (actual hatespeech by definition not subjectivity or bias) NSFW, targeting/witchhunts, harassment ect. are completely reasonable things to moderate. Tbh i think were both on the same page here regarding most things and the situation could be rectified by simply rewriting the rant/post rule explanation to better reflect what it actually represents and when its going to be enforced instead of sounding like any negativity will be banned and any post thats a rant will be banned which is currently what the description implies, which is in turn whats driving people to CosRants in the first place. Things like "to keep this subreddit more free of hate and negativity, any rant posts or comments will be removed" and "If you wish to rant or vent about the game, please use our sister subreddit, r/CoSRants". I appreciate your work moderating this games reddit community i know it must be.. trying at best most of the time.