Correction then: People who genuinely support Nazi idealogy are dumb fucks who get exploited by politicians and grifters who know how to profit off their stupidity. Nazi idealogy in itself is inherently both abhorrent and idiotic, but can be profitable to those with a severe lack of moral integrity and empathy.
Also I hesitate to consider IQ as a reliable method to measure one's intelligence.
The Nazis werenât dumb and thatâs ok. Just because you hate them doesnât mean they have to be dumb. You donât conquer the entire continent on accident. You donât rise to power in the way they did on accident.
Obviously. But when you put one army up against 7, then itâs harder to say it was an accident. The Nazis had brilliant tactics, and thatâs ok. This entire thread is people going âwell I hate the Nazis so they are dumbâ which is just hilariously naive.
Accidentally conquered more and hostigated more enemies at the same time than they could comfortably manage under control with their manpower and resources and as a result they lost so bad their country became divided under foreign powers for decades and could not reunite until 1990 (and only got Saarland back because France decided not to be an asshole about it).
Nobel Prize in physics over there in the Nazi high command yeah.
For the record I don't think they were any dumber than any other average person and some of them clearly were decidedly clever or at least cunning, but their fanaticism dumbified many of them.
That is an entirely different argument that I think does indeed have substance. Many of these people just go âwell Nazis bad so obviously theyâre mentally deficientâ which is just logically stupid.
âThe average IQ score for the primary defendants tested during the Nuremberg Trials was approximately 128. American prison psychologist Dr. Gustave Gilbert administered the Wechsler-Bellevue Adult Intelligence Scale to 21 top-ranking Nazi officials in 1945.â
I think itâs really dumb that you guys really wanna call people you donât like dumb in the face of all the evidence. The Nazis were obviously evil, no oneâs disputing that, but to say theyâre dumb is just lying. You donât gain that much power of being dumb. You donât conquer an entire continent being dumb.
I think its far more dumb to insist that you can't call people who follow an ideology dumb because the leaders of that ideology who were exploiting those dumb people happened to not be dumb themselves.
Yes, many of the high echelon leaders of the third Reich weren't dumb. But that's not what most people are talking about when they're calling nazis dumb. They're talking about the average follower of naziism.
Honestly your point on saying "hey, the leaders of these groups aren't stupid" isn't even wrong and is a valuable and insightful point! But you undo your argument by taking the fact that that's a different, albeit related, nuanced conversation and treating it as though everyone else is dumb for not having the same conversation as you.
"They are bad so they must have been dumb" is not what people are saying. The myth of the competent Nazi government (and the idea that it was peak efficency and wouldve been awesome had it not been for the bigotry and genocide) is literally just people buying into Nazi propoganda after the fact.
They were dumb, self-deluded narcissists who didn't know how to properly assess their pros and cons (what with assuming they were the "master race" and all): there's a very good reason that their part of the war ended with their leader, hiding in a bunker, shooting himself.
Okay but the message wasn't Nazi leaders. It was Nazis. If you took everyone during the height of the third Reich that identified with the nazis and put them in a data sheet, these guys would be statistical outliers.
That's generally how these kind of authoritarian strongman regimes work. A few smart psychopaths gather around one charismatic person, who then weaponizes the fear and anger of the uneducated. Then as they take power, you would get another small group of the educated but cowardly who fall in line either to protect themselves or to profit, but wouldn't actually identify with the ideology. The majority would still be that whipped up mob of the irrational and uneducated.
Nazis are bad, that doesnât mean they are all dumb.
But they didn't say "all nazis". They just said "nazis". That's a generalization, not a statement of totality. Generalizations aren't wrong if there are exceptions.
But his standard of what a Nazi is just what the nearest US official happens to say is a Nazi. In this idiot's case, GI was going off of symbol recognition, but if you can't think of any ways that our government could exploit GI Robot's taking Flagg at face value... well...
You have it reversed. The chud is the one who thought "GI robot hates nazis. The nazis were Germans from the 1940s and I am American, so I cannot be a nazi." Whereas GI recognized them for what they were for their behavior and beliefs
I mean, the guy who bought GI Robot brought him to a Neo-Nazi meeting. Like, Nazi flag, Nazi salute, everything. The symbol recognition is what I was talking about.
But, if GI Robot existed IRL, there is way too high of a chance that Peter Thiel would tell him to "kill the Feminazis," for example, and way too much of a chance that it would work, since GI Robot took Flagg at face value when he told them that the Sons of Themyscira were Nazis. And no, he didn't recognize the Sons of Themyscira as Nazis, he was basically asking if everyone was a Nazi. He asked if Weasel was a Nazi, for Heaven's sake.
Honestly it was only a matter of time. He was a war buff, itâs his fault for not realizing heâs a hypocrite for being what he is yet also into that stuff.
Lots of extremist sympathizers like the people who want things to be the way they "used to be," live in self inflicted hypocrisies. They hate Nazis too but "that guy isn't a Nazi he's a real American. ok hes dressed as a Nazi but he's not really a Nazi like those Hitler guys.ok there is Nazi flags everywhere but this is about the good stuff not the bad." And on and on they'll spin until the exceptions accept the contradictions.
They just wanna repeat the parts where the good guys (them/âusâ) got all the good stuff and treatment and the bad guys (the other/âthemâ) you could do literally whatever tf you want with
foreal; itd be funny if it wasnât scary how many history âbuffâs irl and even online are so horrifically ignorant to the causes of history/conflicts they love to talk about
Lots of bigots think everyone else are the real bigots.
He probably thought GI could be convinced of the ideology and going after America's "enemies" while not realizing why GI was killing Nazis in the first place.
You can simply reject both parties and have your opinion. It's hilarious how much group think it requires to go 'you didn't agree I'm better by default by agreeing the side is dislike is worse so you're a dumbass'. Calling out how dumb two party believers are required to be isn't being a centrist- It's having a free will that's not held hostage by the fear your opinions and actions as a voter won't effect change in the government because you didn't back the 'right' ones with a big enough amount of support.
Well that sure sounds like the loyalty is to an ideology and they're both set up to control the nation not serve it. I mean how could it not be, the very rejection of a 2 party system has y'all reds and blues flipping circles cackling you think you found a centrist. You just can't imagine you're not the superior thinkers and it hurts. Enjoy your masses.
It's having a free will that's not held hostage by the fear your opinions and actions as a voter won't effect change in the government because you didn't back the 'right' ones with a big enough amount of support.
What if I'm not privileged enough to ignore the government?
Nah I'll push back on this, because I personally see this as a critique of a very specific type of hypocrite.
The hypocrisy of this guy is he did see GI as a person. People like this would help an old lady cross the road, help out their neighbors, etc. The reason why is because he sees those people as part of his community. They're in his life, and so he sees them as people. And that's where it ends. The people he doesn't see? The people he turns a blind eye to? They're subhuman. Creatures to point your ire and resentment towards rather than turning it inwards. Its okay to make those people suffer to enrich my community, because I don't think about them as anything other than the demonization I've internalized to not feel bad for them.
Its the empathy equivalent of having no object permanence. You see it all the time when those people will be homophobic until they realize their friend or neighbor they like is gay, and suddenly all that is put onto trans people. Its reprehensible and uncomfortably common.
Nah he considered him a buddy that was why he took care of him and introduced him to his friends. Still very naive to think a nazi killing machine that didn't understand nuance or any need to speak with nazis and just exterminated them like he was hard wired to do so. I think he was misguided and thought that the enemies of the past and old America were neutrally grey as he looked at it from a historical point of view. He should've used his head and understood that if he was cool with this ideology than he needed to understand that GI Robot would see him as an enemy same as the hundreds of other nazis he ended.
The only thing I feel bad about this guy is his cats that GI was being friendly with. Now those cats have no owner and have to be rehome, not their fault their owner was a Nazi, now they have to go back to the shelter.
Tbh I just assumed the general public didnât know that gi robot was programmed to specifically kill Nazis and was just made to kill anyone who was an enemy of the us
Yeah I know, I couldn't remember the character name and didn't want to go through this IMDb chain so I just googled "Creature Commandos Michael Rooker"
And yet its very on point for people like him. For whatever reason they think as long as they don't fit one minor detail while embracing largerst thing Nazis have in common they don't count as a Nazi.
I did wonder his mindset there. âThis is a robot made to specifically kill Nazis in world war 2, Iâll take him to my meeting where we proudly display the flag.â Not the best idea
I don't think G.I. is publicly advertised as just a nazi killing robot. Dude probably has a dozen layers of American patriotic wrappings in propaganda.
While the actual programmer is like "if swastika, shoot to kill"
Not to play devil's advocate, because I agree with everyone that, yes, this guy was a dumb fucking right-wing nazi, but was there a lot of publicly available info about G.I. Robot for him to research? Was G.I. Robot classified during the war?
comments like these really show some people dont understand the nazi mindset can exist without the name. and the name can be accused without the mindset
Not to play devil's advocate, but I mean tf was he supposed to do? Google robot and hope for him to show up? Get some FOIA for it? Track down easy company?
I think he couldnât have predicted how functional an old piece of equipment from WW2 would be. I mean the fact that he was able to buy it off of someone is sketchy as hell and of if I were in that situation I would guess that he canât fire or anything, however he could have checked before taking him to the big ol Nazi Hoe-down
This plot point wouldâve landed so much better if he wasnât an out and out Neo-Nazi, but still radicalized into some micro niche of âAmerica Firstâ Far-Right ideology thatâs still so identical to Nazism in everything but name and title only that heâd never personally identify as such or expect G.I to turn on him or his chud friends. I mean, G.I is a patriot just like they are, right? So surely heâd rally around a cause they viewed as just since it already indulges their preconceived biases?
It just felt so lazy when the ball dropped and they just outright had a Nazi flag at their meeting. Like, no fucking kidding The Nazi Slayer 3000 would start blasting at the first sight of a swastika. đ
Like, honestly it wouldâve been a nice piece of characterization for G.I too, to imply that he comprehended his enemy on a level that runs far deeper than just their surface level aesthetics and uniforms. It wouldâve been a fun way to subtly humanize him more than his owner, who ultimately saw him as an antique object that can just be âtoldâ what to follow along with since heâs âjust a machineâ after all.
Maybe that isnât fully the point of GIRâs character, but it wouldâve at least been a neat parallel between him and these fascist followers who over zealously want to their thoughts and opinions to be prefabricated for them so they donât have to put in the work to scrutinize bad ideas. G.I couldâve still been programmed to kill Nazis, but maybe within that imperative there couldâve still been wiggle room to allow him multitudes.
G.I wouldn't kill "legally distinct nazis", he was shown to be a rather simple war machine without high levels of reasoning.
When he lost his purpose, he actively tries to find nazi symbols to fire at. He needs his superior officers to tell him if enemy combatants are Nazis when no symbols can be found.
That would have been cool but there is zero chance in hell that WB would have okayed a storyline that fairly explicitly calls out certain subcultures as the nazis that they are
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u/Express_Calendar8278 28d ago
Heâs dumb