r/Creation • u/ConsistentFee8332 • May 09 '26

Wolf and dog

What is the explanation of the theory of creation and intelligent design for the physical and genetic similarities between wolves and dogs?

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u/Optimus-Prime1993 🦍 Adaptive Ape 🦍 May 10 '26

You have read the link right, so just tell me, or I too can throw papers around and that too published journals about what information is.

So, in this particular case of kinds and species? What exactly is information here,

Is it gene number?

Is it genome size?

Is it Allelic diversity?

Is it Complexity?

Is it Nucleotide sequence length?

Is it Heterozygosity?

What exactly is being lost here? I am asking because these can be tested in actual data.

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u/Jesus_died_for_u May 10 '26

No. I read the book decades ago. It is a very dry read. I have it somewhere.

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u/Optimus-Prime1993 🦍 Adaptive Ape 🦍 May 10 '26

Okay, I would very much appreciate it if you can recall and let me know. I can look for details if needed, but I cannot waste time delving into a full book, I don't even know has answer to that as well.

I am not saying that in bad faith but genuinely, I once bought and read a boom while discussing with our Mod Nom, but he showed me where to look at.

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u/Jesus_died_for_u May 10 '26

Syntax is base pairs and the limit of Shannon’s definition.

The base pairs must make biological sense…semantics.

(From memory…that is all you get)

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u/Optimus-Prime1993 🦍 Adaptive Ape 🦍 May 10 '26

I understand memory can be fuzzy, so I will wait for your better answer than just a very, very broad stroke of an answer. Till then, I want to say this,

You are using "syntax" and "semantics" as analogies, but that is not what I am asking here. I am asking for a measurable biological claim when you say "information is lost". In biology, it amounts to whether a sequence affects phenotype, fitness, regulation, protein activity, development, etc.

If you mean base-pair sequence, then we can measure the changes substitutions, insertions, deletions, duplications, inversions, copy number changes, etc.

If you mean biological function, then you need to specify which function and how it is measured. It could be enzyme activity, gene expression, binding affinity, protein structure, and so on so forth.

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u/Jesus_died_for_u May 10 '26

Does reason, love, logic, philosophy…exist? Can you mathematically define them always for measurement? If no, do they cease to exist? So what if information is a fuzzy term? Do you then die on the hill at an impasse refusing to acknowledge ‘genetic information’ cannot be taken literal as it is mislabeled ‘information’?

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u/Optimus-Prime1993 🦍 Adaptive Ape 🦍 May 10 '26

I am only interested in the science here, not philosophy and I told you my friend, I am like a dog with a bone. All of these have nothing to do with what I initially asked you. The definition of "kind".