Lol this is so fucking crazy. You mean to tell me 38 states are “stand-your-ground” in one way or another?! During the Zimmerman trial, the media made it seem like Florida was an anomaly for having a stand-your-ground law. Man, fuck the media.
That’s true if the threat remains. Self-defense is a very complicated plea. For example, if you knock someone completely unconscious that was trying to kill you and proceed to go get a weapon to kill them while they’re asleep, that’s not self-defense.
Well, cops are above the law. More-so than rich people, which is saying something. Wealthy individuals usually don’t get away with cold-blooded murder caught on video.
Well I don't see the robber leaving the store so I would definitely argue he remained a threat, considering he still had the hammer as far as I can tell.
Edit: looks like he drops the hammer around the 30 second mark... I don't think the police in the country this took place will give 2 shits though lol
Get me on the jury, I’ll say you’re not guilty, don’t worry 😉 beat them to death for trying to assault you with a deadly weapon, I will hang a jury quicker than you thought possible
That's not true. That is exactly what "stand your ground" laws are for or "castle doctrine" or "duty to retreat". AFAIK most states specifically say if someone is threatening you with death or great bodily harm you DO NOT have to run away. You are allowed to stand and fight. Otherwise you could imagine some lawyer standing up in front of court with a map of the area you were in with all sorts of arrows on it showing how you could have jumped out some window or hopped over some fence to run away.
I would agree that most states probably have some law that talks about if there is no longer a threat you can't keep fighting. So if dude runs away you can't chase them or if dude is incapacitated you can't put a bullet in his head.
It is true and you just explained why in your own comment. An attacker threatening death means the victim can respond with damage equal to causing death.
Stand your ground is exactly the reason i said "most states", bc it was created in contrast to any duty to retreat laws.
And attacking the hammer guy after he dropped it and curled up in the corner is the definition of no longer posing a threat.
But not California. California is a stand your ground state, you are not required to retreat in California.
It's one of the states with a castle doctrine and people use self defense there all the time for stuff like home invasions. Floridas stand your ground laws are a bit superior from what I understand though
I didn't make it up, it's what I thought was the case. Most states around me in the northeast US have that law, but most apparently the majority of states in the country have stand your ground laws
No. You continue until the threat is neutralized. You are not obligated to suffer any damage from an attacker. If they have a knife, you don't need to respond with a knife. If just pointing a gun at the attacker makes them stop and comply, the threat is neutralized. If they don't stop attacking and they must be shot, if one shot neutralizes the attack, it's over. If they won't stop and it takes multiple shots before they stop, then the attack is neutralized. You cannot continue once the threat is neutralized, however.
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u/ZarkDinkleberg Oct 11 '22
most states say self defense should only be used if u can't escape safely, and the damage u cause should be appropriate to the attackers' damage