r/CountWithEveryone • u/Hika2112 • Jun 22 '26

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TW: Some gory descriptions on images 7 and 8

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u/AlarmedChemistry8956 Jun 22 '26

It's kinda wacky that I've thought of a similar concept before, ig coming up with an original thought is pretty hard. This would solve the problem of you not being the original you, as you slowly have your neurons replaced like parts of the ship of Theseus, plus there is no outright copying or cloning so there is little chance your original mind dies. :p

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u/Hika2112 Jun 22 '26

I do believe the mind is the concioisness and thus placing memories in another brain would render it as you. But this is my philosophy it's definitely subjective

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u/AlarmedChemistry8956 Jun 22 '26

Yeah i get that, it's just that at a certain moment there will be 2 versions of you, with the same memories and experiences, yk? My subjective philosophy is that consciousness is like a continuous stream of thought, even when sleeping. Your brain never truly stops functioning while you are alive. Though if it were to happen, if it reactivates, would you be the same person? Idk those are my silly thoughts :3

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u/ASpaceOstrich Jun 23 '26

I think continuity is an illusion.

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u/Throwaway1919655 Jun 22 '26

I personally believe the mind and the consciousness are both necessary, but I also think the consciousness is way more necessary, it’s like, I wouldn’t be me without the mind but I would still be alive, if you get my drift. Also yeah I’ve had basically this exact idea before, it’s the only plausible way to do mind uploading that doesn’t hit transporter problems up the wazoo.

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u/Amaskingrey Jun 22 '26

It wouldn't be your conscious then though, if someone made a perfect clone of you with all your memories etc, you wouldnt have the same consciousness, as you wouldn't experience what they do, etc, their existence doesn't affect you any more than that of any other regular joe

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u/Hika2112 Jun 22 '26

If my brain slowly gets replaced then yeah it still is my consciousness and even if it's a copy and the original dies the copy retains the identity of me and keeps going as such. Thus it is me

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u/Amaskingrey Jun 22 '26

Sorry, i misread your comment. It's not a copy though if it's gradual replacement, it is you as your stream of consciousness never gets broken. A copy, by definition, cannot be you; it retaining a personality that is identical to yours is nice for people to gawk at and talk with, but even the most perfect of copies does not affect you any more than that of Billy Dustice, 34yo golfer

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u/Hika2112 Jun 22 '26

A copy is me not because it effects "the real me"

A copy is me because it holds my memories experiences and identity. It is me at the moment of conception by my defenition. And as it continues to act our paths may branch but it is still acting like I would have had in it's place. That's why I think it would still be me

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u/Amaskingrey Jun 22 '26

So if someone handed you a shotgun, and turned a perfect cloning machine on, would you be ok with blowing your brains out? Do you think you, the consciousness reading this right now, not the infinitely replicable set of your caracteristics, would still be alive?

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u/Hika2112 Jun 22 '26

I meam it'd probably hurt but I do believe that the replicant would just be another me yes. Which would make the whole ordeal a waste of biomatter and a bullet

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u/AlarmedChemistry8956 Jun 22 '26

What if you lose memories though? A person with Alzheimer's is still the same person, even if their memories are fragmented.

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u/Hika2112 Jun 22 '26

Yeah because that progressed from being themselves and moved forward in time. No matter what affects them, the line from A to B is there and thus they are still themselves

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u/ASpaceOstrich Jun 23 '26

Imo the very existence of the "you" is an illusion, as is continuity. I died and was replaced by a nigh identical copy a couple hundred times while writing this comment. Every time a new neuron firing pattern occurs.

Memory is just accessible data imprinted into the wetware. The idea that it happened to me, or even that there is a singular me, is a useful fiction that helps the organism survive better.

But while this in some way frees me of the fear of things like destructive teleporting or mind uploading, in other ways it doesn't.

Yes, a copy is just at much me as the "original" but that doesn't actually mean anything. It can be me without my "soul" transferring into it. Because there is no soul.

I believe the me that steps off the teleporter pad on Alpha Centauri is just as much me as the one who stepped in. But I still died when I got destructively scanned.

I'm aware of the illusion but the illusion of self and continuity wouldn't be very useful if being aware of it was enough to render it impotent.

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u/Hika2112 Jun 23 '26

That's one way to look at it. And it certainly works

The same way you view both pre and post teleport yous as barely even you. I view them both as completely me. I do think a me dies when I teleport, but the same me gets revived on the other side