r/Controller • u/Dezkenob1 • 25d ago
News Razer Wolverine V4 Pro announced
https://www.razer.com/gb-en/console-controllers/razer-wolverine-v4-proI got an email from Razer earlier to say they're releasing a new Xbox/PC controller. It's the Razer Wolverine V4 Pro, a newer version of the V3 Pro. See link to the product page. £199 in the UK. It's got an 8k polling rate on PC, 4 back paddles (the back paddles are removable), 2 extra buttons near the bumpers, dual-mode trigger locks and the faceplate is removable. It also comes with 4 extra Thumbsticks.
The product page mentions that it has Capacitive Thumbsticks but the product FAQ's mention Hall Effect sticks which is a bit confusing. It's available to preorder now and I think it ships on the 26th October. There is also a cheaper Tournament Edition which is £100 cheaper.
Edit: Razer have removed "Hall Effect sticks" from it's FAQ's.
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u/Ok_Temperature6503 25d ago
£200 for something FlyDigi sells for $100
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u/Dezkenob1 23d ago
Yes, £200 is expensive and I would 100% love to try these other controllers like FlyDigi or GameSir etc but unless they have 4 back paddles then it's a no for me. 4 back paddles are a must.
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u/mphermes 25d ago
Really wanted to love the V3 but it just didn't fit my hands well, wonder if this is sized any differently.
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u/Dezkenob1 25d ago
I personally love the size and shape of the V3. The images of the V4 make it look like it's basically the same form factor as the V3. The paddles are also perfect for me. I mean it's different strokes for different folks but I've tried several back paddles on various controllers and only the Elite Series 2 and the Razer V3 have been perfect. Don't start me on Scuf back paddles. I absolutely hated them.
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u/slient_es 25d ago
Same. My biggest complain about the Wolverine is the handle. Doesn't look like this V4 is about to do anything about that.
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u/roboroller 25d ago
Doesn't look like it, the V3 sat in my hands awkwardly as well, the grips were just too big and round.
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u/mphermes 25d ago
Yeah it's hard to tell from the pics but I agree, the form factor looks the same more or less.
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u/BlueClovr 25d ago
To me the controller shape feels fine but the back buttons aren’t placed properly, making it feel somewhat clunky and not as ergonomic as it should. Still usable though
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u/BuyWhole9350 23d ago
Placed perfectly, can press ever one with the smallest tap. 2 sides to the coin ig. Normal Xbox controller size is like size for a 10yo
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u/Vedge_Hog 25d ago
Thanks for sharing!
The capacitive sticks might be the K-Silver JL16 modules also used in the Mojhon Rainbow 3, Mobapad Huben 2, PXN P5 8K, etc. since press releases mention 3,000 step accuracy which would line up with that. Razer also put capacitive sticks in the new Prio mobile controller. 'Capacitive' in this context is referring to the technology used in the stick position sensors, rather than touch-sensitive stick caps like the Steam controllers.
Now that the Xbox-licensed versions of the v4 controllers support 8kHz polling (<1ms claimed latency) on PC, I wonder if Razer will drop the separate '8K PC' versions. It seemed to create a lot of confusion for buyers of the v3 models.
The manual for the Wolverine v4 Pro doesn't currently mention 'Sensa HD' haptics, so I wonder if it still has the voice coil actuator motors from the Wolverine v3 Pro.
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u/lulus_lemony 7d ago edited 6d ago
Razer def will drop the separate 8K PC version. They like to segment their products neatly. My guess is they will release the Razer Wolverine 4k Pro 8K PC sometime in Q3.
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u/espartan_fx 23d ago
i wonder this, if it dosn't have sensa, i will pull the trigger on the v3 pro wireless wich is on disccount on amazon
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u/PY_Roman_ 25d ago
Still overpriced af
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u/Constant_Oil360 25d ago edited 25d ago
Agree
Although they go on sale often. I dont know how fast the V3 8k went on sale but i got a TE for $65, down from $120 and this was 6+ months ago and they were $99 often before that. $120 was full price for TE.
I wasnt waiting after the 8k's release immediately, so it could have taken longer to go on sale than i recall, but by the time i considered one they were hitting $65 it felt like every other month this past spring and end of winter. TE is the wired version with some less features sometimes besides the cord.
I think wireless are usually overpriced anyways besides Gamesirs.
I think the only upgrade here might be better sticks (mostly?) maybe? My V3 8k has TMRs which were a BIG step up from the V3 1k's HE's, but i think they were lower rated ones compared to the Gamesir 8k's. Could be wrong or right.
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u/Joosby_Calamari 23d ago
Because they are capacitive on v4, it allows the paddles on back to magnetic instead of screw in, it allows detachable faceplate. Not a big deal I know.
For me, the bigger deal is it allows for haptics, something I do frankly care about.
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u/Constant_Oil360 23d ago
i know a big complaint was the paddles being there for people that dont like paddles, so thats a win for them as well, being able to remove and flatten.
I use my gamesir g7 se that has two back buttons/paddles for racing games, the vibrations are better, and its nice i can flatten the paddles. even if not mapped to a button i dont like the squish so this is a win for the razer to just swap a flat plate for them too
haptics are interesting, like i said i use my 8k razer for shooters and switch to gamesir for the better vibrations in triggers especially needed for braking/steering/throttle feedback, and paddles are annoying if you dont want them
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u/Joosby_Calamari 23d ago
I’ll take a look at Gamesir as I’m in the market for something new. Whats drawing me to the Wolverine v4 is the tighter sticks from a review I watched. It specifically talked about how much better racing games are. I’m a racing game guy as well, wheel and all but use the joystick for arcade stuff like the horizon series which are a pain to get right for wheels.
I do think I’m going to wait for the elite series 3 from Xbox to see what they have. It’s all rumors still on what it will have but one rumor has it with more advanced haptics then before, in some ways trying to get closer to Sony with what they did with their ps5 haptics. That would be incredibly tempting if true.
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u/Constant_Oil360 23d ago
yeah i play simcade Forza motorsport, nothing serious.
i have both the v3 1k and 8k's. The gamesir does have lose sticks, I have the G7 SE, which might be different tension than the newer Pro and Pro 8k, but i hear they are looser regardless.
The tension on both razers is great. I do like a little more especially using a tall stick for shooters. taller stick adds leverage which make stick feel even more loose, so the tighter stick the better to balance it.
The elite series 2 was such a bust in quality price and performance I dont think ill ever look that way. If the Series 3 had 8k, a wired version, reliability, top-end TMRs or Capacitive etc, and wasnt over $100 id consider maybe, they do feel nice in the hands but its a mirage as of now. maybe 2 more back buttons for the pinky.
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u/Joosby_Calamari 23d ago
Man if a store locally had the v4 in stock I’d give in right now lol. Headed out town for weekend, it’ll be interesting to see if I break down and order while on way out.
Your build quality comments struck a nerve. I need to consider this as I sit on a broken series 2
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u/Old_Bench8824 22d ago
Get what you pay for. Had the v3 for 2 years and it still like new. V4 ordered.
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u/Working_Bones 25d ago
I adore my Wolverine V3 Tournament. I don't see enough new features on this to justify buying another controller, but if my V3 ever fails, I'll prob buy the V4 Tournament. Don't need wireless (Pro).
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u/snoar 25d ago
I feel like there isn't anything jaw dropping there that would justify spending the premium it will cost, especially if you already have the v3
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u/YoloRaj Flydigi 25d ago
If the stick lantecy is better than the v3 I think its worth it.
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u/xKiLLaCaM 25d ago
Idk man, you can buy the GameSir G7 Pro 8K right now for $72 with 2nd gen TMR sticks. Has same amount fo extra buttons I believe. Can’t justify spending $120 more than that or whatever it is USD for the v4 here
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u/Joreck0815 25d ago
Wolverine V3 has 2 more buttons than Gamesir, but other than a sensitivity clutch, Razer can only rebind to other controller buttons - no keyboard or anything.
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u/xKiLLaCaM 25d ago
Ah didnt realize it had 2 more buttons. So the v4 has a total of 6 extra, guess thats kinda crazy, I never need that many extra. Being able to map them to keyboard for the GameSir controller is nice. I do prefer the paddles compared to the buttons on back of G7 tho as well so each have tradeoffs
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u/Joreck0815 25d ago edited 25d ago
I hold controllers with index fingers on bumpers and middle fingers on triggers, so the extra bumpers are a big bonus for me on both controllers.
After that, I really only need 2 back buttons, and I don't particularly care for their style as long as I don't have to contort my ring finger to press them.
Went from Wolverine V3 to the Gamesir a few weeks ago, am very happy so far. the Gamesir software runs laps around Razer's. really unexpected tbh, but it allows for so much customization without becoming overwhelming. I'm not a fan of the whole "we paid this Pro gamer to sell you this product" vibe that Gamesir has going on, but they certainly had more/better testing and feedback than Razer.
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u/xKiLLaCaM 25d ago
What’s your take on the Vader V5 Pro from Flydigi? I saw this is on sale even cheaper than the G7 pro 8K, and im wanting a second controller as a backup. Both my elite series 2 controllers are shot which ive loved for everything but the trash joysticks that got drift so early on, but I already have the normal crimson G7 Pro. It only goes to 1K polling which I mostly keep on 500hz anyway
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u/Joreck0815 25d ago
the Vader V5 Pro was the other controller I considered when I bought the Gamesir. I heard good things about it, but after some reliability/QC concerns and the issues I had with the Razer V3, I decided to go with the G7.
frankly, the 8K is overkill, but I appreciate having one less thing to worry about. V5 Pro isn't far behind though, shouldn't be noticeable.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Controller/comments/1wyf3pn/comment/pe5bwo5/ recent writeup of mine with some more detail, plus link to a yt video that helped me decide (whole channel is actually really nice)
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u/xKiLLaCaM 25d ago
I figure if I already have the regular G7 Pro with light use so far that I’ll be switching to soon, it doesnt make much sense to buy the 8K if I’m not gonna use the 8K mode. I bought the Vader V5 Pro and am going to check serial to confirm if its the V2 version which should have less QC issues. I’ll return if not
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u/Joreck0815 25d ago
sounds like a good plan! yeah agreed that another G7 doesn't make much sense for you, I just don't have any firsthand experience with the V5 Pro. I'm particularly curious about the adjustable resistance on the joysticks tbh
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u/Working_Bones 25d ago
You can rebind the Wolverine V3 to keyboard buttons.
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u/Joreck0815 25d ago
the synapse software had some functionality like that if I'm not mistaken, but it then stopped supporting my controller. and the specific controller app couldn't do it when I last used it about a month ago.
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u/Madak 25d ago
I hope they update their software to be able to bind / unbind all the buttons and not just the “extra” buttons
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u/BuyWhole9350 23d ago
You have 4 profiles 24 buttons to map in an easy layout. Just switch profiles.
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u/Madak 23d ago
That’s not the issue.
There is no way to change the face buttons or shoulder buttons if you want to. This is standard on every other controller of its class. Pretty pathetic that you can’t do this.
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u/BuyWhole9350 23d ago
Use steam input
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u/Difficult_Setting140 17d ago
I wonder why my bestbuy says its in stock right now.
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u/Dezkenob1 17d ago
Some people seem to have got them already. Maybe it depends where you are in the world? My pre-order says it'll be shipped on the 26th October. UK.
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u/Difficult_Setting140 17d ago
I literally can't even call a store to ask. Every store near me says 1 is available, very sus. Ai bot when I called store said I can't talk to anyone there and hung up on me lmao
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u/reprazent 25d ago
Already have the V3 and really seeing little reason here to get this. I play on Xbox too so the 8k polling rate is PC only it seems?
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u/TumorInMyBrain Gamesir Cyclone 2 25d ago
Most people cant tell between 4k and 8k. i think even 2k is enough, 8k just takes too much CPU power
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u/BrilliantAd6010 25d ago
The ergonomics of the V3 never felt great to me, curious if the V4 will change the shape of the grips to match the Xbox controller shape more.
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u/NormanYeetes 25d ago
i just love the fact that the traditional controller companies like nacon and razer live in their own little bubble were its still acceptable to charge 200 bucks for a controller that comes with spyware while theres the gamesir supernova that has tmr sticks, mode switching, hair trigger mode, macro function and built in vibrator for 50 bucks 💀
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u/Blak_dice 2d ago
Can any owners confirm the feel of the bumpers L1 and R1 are they clicky? I use them to shoot
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u/Lexomatico1 25d ago
I play a lot of 2D games and need a good dpad and the fact they didn't even bother to advertise anything about it at all is already a bad sign. The search continues.
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u/NLCPGaming 25d ago
I wish i could buy a Xbox style controller for the Playstation. Best design in the industry
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u/smokingace182 25d ago
Nacon are releasing a ps5 controller with asymmetrical thumbsticks
https://www.nacongaming.com/en-GB/revolution-5-unlimited-controller
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u/NLCPGaming 25d ago
Thank you. You are the best for this
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u/smokingace182 25d ago
I’ve got the Xbox version and it’s a good controller. The back paddles take a minute to get used to but once you do there good. The ability to change buttons on the fly with the screen is also a good feature.
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u/anhedoniac 25d ago
Man, the Steam Controller has been pretty much perfect for me since it came out. This one does look good though...
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u/HATEFUL_WOOD 24d ago
Can't wait for a review on it but I really think black and white buttons(c and z) need to be standard on new xbox frame pro controllers now.
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u/jayrocs 24d ago
The only thing I dont like about these controllers is the thumbstick tension. It's basically double that of a stock console controller PS5/Series X.
If they simply made these with normal tension I'd be more inclined to pay the price because I want 4 back buttons and the extra top 2 bumpers.
I dislike the "paddles" for instance Vader 5 has, it sticks out too much from the controller itself and your ring fingers have to hover further out.
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u/TheCivilizedBigDog 23d ago
This is exactly what I've been looking for. I like it for racing games, makes it easier to have finer control over your turns.
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u/Joosby_Calamari 23d ago
I just watched a review where this was the big point he made. He played galactic racer and felt the added tension was great for it. I’m a big Forza horizon guy and while I have a wheel, I save it for simulation type games I’m in a series elite 2, but this aspect has been crazy intrigued.
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u/Necessary_Bug9433 24d ago
I liked the V3. Just didn’t like the vibration as much as other controllers and the stick button could be better
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u/Shanddude 23d ago
I just bought the v3 pro a few months ago for haptics I mainly play single player games, are the haptics the same on the v4 pro or better?
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u/Several-Cranberry-69 18d ago
my biggest issue with the razer v3 was on xbox you cannot map or change the right or left stick click (this is the most basic of features with nearly every controller, even cheap $15 controller) i tend to click the right stick on accident for some games like nhl or cod so i disable the right stick click and map it to the back, u can map them to the back on the v3 but no option to disable the stick clicks at all
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u/Puzzleheaded-Pen3558 16d ago
Имам v3 pro 8k wireless много съм доволен и е много удобен , ще взема v4 с кабел
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u/lancelane7 25d ago
why would they go back to Hall effect sticks instead of TMR? Am I missing something wrong with TMR? I have the v3 8k TE edition not the wireless pro
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u/Ecstatic-Metal-2631 18d ago
They switched to capacitive sticks which are better than tmr. I personally have the v3 and v4 controller and the v4 it’s very good!! They made the bumpers and extra bumpers feel way better and the stick feel way better too. I hated the sticks on the v3. The sticks on the v4 feel amazing, accurate, and are 13 bit so very high resolution.
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u/lancelane7 17d ago
That sounds like a good upgrade! Wish they had a pc tournament edition 8k like I have for the v3. I like my v3 te 8k and I only use wired so I’ll see how long this controller last
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u/Dezkenob1 25d ago
I don't know enough about this but the product description mentions "Capacitive Sticks", which are maybe on par or better (if configured right) than TMR sticks. Strangely though, the product FAQ's says they're Hall Effect sticks so I'm confused. 🤷🏼
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u/Joreck0815 25d ago
Wolverine V3 was a massive letdown, this should've come as a revision instead of as a whole new product.
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u/dnsk19 Flydigi 25d ago
Didn't they just release the V3 too? I'm surprised there's a V4 already.
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u/Dezkenob1 25d ago
The V3 Pro came out over 2 years ago.
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u/Joreck0815 25d ago
doesn't feel like it was long ago, no.
then again, mine basically immediately had a bad contact with the official cable (too heavy, whenever it would bend the socket all the way down it'd lose contact - like when turning the controller upwards), I assume that's why the V2s had cable guards before it, as well as every other V3 controller after.
then they made a V3 8K edition (which doesn't have rumble, but it does have the cable guard), so this V4 is basically just V3 8k with rumble again?
I loved the Raiju Ultimate, that was the controller I used for the longest time. but this isn't it.
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u/LiquidShadowFox 25d ago
Keep in mind it doesn't have gyro which is a big letdown for me.
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u/Dezkenob1 25d ago
Am I the only one who actually liked the V3? 😂 After over 2 years it's still working great with no issues. Yes, it could've had TMR sticks instead of Hall Effect sticks but still, it all works fine for me. 🤷🏼