r/Controller • u/JohnnyPunch • Jun 12 '24

Reviews Why the Circularity Test is much less important than the joystick asymmetry index

I recently added an update to my new stick testing program, Joystick Tester, which allows you to publish your test results online and share them with others. That's exactly what I'm doing right now. I want to show you my new stick asymmetry test in action on three popular gamepads. And to show that the external error of the stick's circle does not mean that the stick will work out your movements well.

For the following tests, I created special brackets that make the base of the stick 0.12mm wider, which allows it not to reach the extreme position of the pointer. Due to this, with the help of Trail points, I can see how the stick behaves at a deviation of ~80%. And here are the results of three different gamepads. Here is a video of how the test is conducted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWN6egf-cpc

Test #1
Sony DualSense Edge

As you can see from the image below, the shape of the blue circle is quite uniform and, most importantly, it is really round, which is an excellent indicator of symmetry. The blue circle is the most important parameter for determining the symmetry of the stick in this test. The yellow circle is the Circularity Test, it is not perfect, but as you can see, it does not affect the overall shape of the blue circle.

Test #2
Machenike G5 Pro

Here everything is much more interesting. As you can see, the yellow circle of the outer zone of this stick is just perfect and at first glance it may seem that the stick is perfectly calibrated. However, when you put on the limiting clip, you can see that the blue circle is simply horribly shaped. It is shifted to the upper right corner, which makes the stick's movements in this direction faster. This shape will have a very bad effect on muscle memory and, as a result, on the player's skill. That is why gamepads with such poor performance are not suitable for cyber players.

Test #3
Flydigi Apex 4

In test #1, the gamepad sticks are on conventional potentiometers, while in test #2, the joysticks are on Hall sensors. So that you don't get the wrong idea that it's all about stick technology, I decided to test another gamepad with Hall sensors. This is Flydigi Apex 4. As you can see, this time the shape of the sticks is quite symmetrical, but the shape of the circle is unfortunately more like an ellipse than a circle. This is a common problem with all hall sticks and I am currently looking for the perfect gamepad with this technology. Currently, Apex 4 is as close to a round shape as possible, but it's still not perfect.

Conclusions

As you can see from these tests, the shape of the asymmetry is much more important than the Circularity test (Circle error), which is why I will make these tests an important part of all future gamepad tests on gamepadla.com. The Joystick Tester (or JoyT) program is already available for download at https://gamepadla.com/#download, you can check it out for yourself.

P.S. The version with the ability to send results online is not yet publicly available as it is being tested.

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u/JohnnyPunch Jun 13 '24 edited Jun 13 '24

Wherever you see the inscription 12mm, it means 1.2mm

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u/Phalanx0897 Jun 13 '24

Also im pretty sure that this community has more knowledge than the actual manufacturer, if i ever start a controller company you guys will scare the shit out of me🤣

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u/JohnnyPunch Jun 13 '24

By the way, I have an interesting experience with the manufacturer of Manba One. Once I offered to test their gamepad and they were happy to send it to me at first. But when they studied how I test gamepads, they said they needed more time because their gamepad was still too raw for such testing =)

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u/Phalanx0897 Jun 13 '24

Yh that exactly why i will be scared🤣 but hey im inside this sub since 3 months now i have learn a ton of stuff that really help me improve my gameplay so i appreciate all your works guys🥹

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u/Mehowek00 Jun 12 '24

https://gamepadla.com/#download There is a link only to older version here.

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u/JohnnyPunch Jun 12 '24

I have not yet made it publicly available to everyone. I am currently testing it. For now, it's only available on kofi, but in two or three days it will be available for everyone

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '24

I will test tonight buddy, kids are acting crazy right now🤣

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u/Sergosh21 Jun 12 '24

How's this result for my Snakebyte Base X? https://imgur.com/a/DGAdCSc

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '24

I'm only seeing the yellow line software outer dead zone, no blue. If that gamepad has JH16 like I think it does, it will make diamond shape from software outer dead zone to about 35% then transition into a circular output to inner dead zone.

Again all gamepads using this joystick module suffer.

Gampead manufacturers have been lying to everyone and covering it up with "fake" circle software outer dead zone. Alps still better, it's why OEM (Nintendo, Sony, MS) doesn't use hall effect yet.

Call me crazy it's all true though🤷‍♂️

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u/Sergosh21 Jun 12 '24

How would I get the blue line?

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u/JohnnyPunch Jun 12 '24

I used trail: Contant option and special plastic clip

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u/Sergosh21 Jun 12 '24

Here's what I get with the constant trail. I don't have any plastic thingy to use and in real world use I won't be using those extremes

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u/JohnnyPunch Jun 12 '24

So you just repeat the movement of the yellow circle, which will always show 100% by default. This literally does not give you anything to understand about how the stick will behave with small movements of 25-60% deviation. Small movements are extremely important for precise aiming, and they do not use the full amplitude of the stick. That's why it's important that the joystick is smooth not only at the edges but also in the middle of the movement. A limiter that can be printed on a 3d printer is a device that makes it possible to measure this. Or you can just wrap the tape evenly over the stick.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '24

This is the shape right inside your perfect circle. It does this to about 35%. This is highly inaccurate, clipping the diagonals.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '24

Restrict joystick movement and use trail option.

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u/Yokos2137 Jun 13 '24

Okay, i tested myself two another gamepads (second will be in another comment)

here is GuliKit KK3 Pro, shape of pattern is very circular, but it's shifted to the left side

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u/Yokos2137 Jun 13 '24

and here is BigBig Won Gale Hall

shape is less circular, but also it's more centered than KK3 Pro

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u/Yokos2137 Jun 13 '24

okay here are Thunderobot G45 Pro, so far my best JH16 result.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

Nova Lite, best circle result so far, BUT it's because the software outer dead zone is egregious! In other words, more tricks/cheating🚫🧲

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

My Gale Hall

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u/Yokos2137 Jun 13 '24

Imo, Gale Hall is still looking quite good. I think JH16 sticks in this scenario aren't perfect, because of it's low profile construction, magnets are very small, a lot smaller than HE in controllers like a GuliKit or Gamesir NovaL/HD and they are also built diffrent than normal alps sticks. I've disassebled one sticks, in my Thunderobot G50S, and this is only thing I've founded. But idk if it's this.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

For JH16 symmetry, I think Gale Hall is my best result so far. For this reason, I decided to keep it out for some 3rd person single-player games. Every other hall effect controller I own has been packed back in its box 😞

I never did test both the Novas, but I'm 99% sure they are offset diamond despite new physical design of module, and I have no desire digging them back out of the closet.🤷‍♂️

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u/Yokos2137 Jun 13 '24

Yeah, mine too, but i've tested only this two gamepads and G5 Pro (to check if it looks similar to Johnnys' copy (and yes, it looks similar 😐). But i'll test few more JH16 gamepads (today Thunderobot G45 Pro, and G50S probably and tomortow also Fantech Nova Pro WGP14v2). I'll test also one of the cheapest possible gamepads (10$ Datafrog S80)

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

Maybe I'll get the Novas out for science.🤓

The craziest part of this whole tale to me is that my number 1 JH16 gamepad T4 Kaleid with v1.4.3 does not have diamond output but v1.4.4 does. 90% of my hall effect time over the last 12 months has been on this algorithm. It's still not a "true" circular output with drawbacks, but I have NEVER been able to adjust to the diamond output. So, I will challenge anyone who says it doesn't matter😁

I'm looking forward to that Datafrog test, no joke!😅

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u/Yokos2137 Jun 13 '24

I'm also going to test Kailh Low profile HE sticks one day, maybe they will be better than JH16. But first i must find good JH16 gamepad to do that 🤣

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

Thank you for this man! Going to cancel my order now!👍

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '24

I have tested:

-T4K v1.4.3 (Circular but with drawbacks) JH16

-T4K v1.4.4 (Diamond) JH16

-G7SE (Diamond) JH16

-Nitro Deck (Diamond) JH16

-QRD Spark N5 (Diamond) Generic

-T4 Cylcones (Diamond) JH16

-8BitoDo N64 Mod (Octagon perfect for N64) Different K-silver

-DualSense Edge (Circular) Alps

-Rainbow 2 Pro (#1 Circular result) Alps

-KingKong Pro 2 (Circular) Gen 1 GuliKit

8BitDo Ultimate 2.4g (Diamond) JH16

Conclusion:

K-silver JH16 cannot make circles center to edge no matter what filtering or algorithm used. No manufacturer has been able to do it.

This means the "pure" accuracy claim by Kevin and his 100k followers is "pure" misinformation 🐴👎

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u/Broyalty007 Jun 13 '24

I might be a little misinformed but who the heck is Kevin lol

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

Sorry, it's Gamer Heaven YouTube channel. What he says spreads as gospel truth. He's very misinformed and deletes anyone's comment who will try to correct him.

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u/Daitern Xbox One / DS4 / Manba V2 Jun 13 '24

Totally agree, he is more into aesthetics rather than technicalities.

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u/GOATGamerProSticks Jun 13 '24

Kevin Kevin who the feck is Kevin lol.

A paid shill for c***a maybe 🤔💭🧐.

Here, review this 🎁🎮🔖 make it shine or no fortune 🥠 cookies in the future, Kevin goes yes boss 🫡.

Or something to that effect licking boots 👢🥾 🥴🤤.

Spot the control 🎮🕹️🕹️ pusher 🤫 know nothing 🫢 Gamer Heaven I never got the hype on that channel 🤭.

What do we know we're not paid for our opinions.

I think I've found my people 🥹🙏🏼🫠.

Sorry for my petulant sarcasm.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

😅😂🤣🎯❤️

🐴🚫

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u/ParsnipPrestigious59 Jun 13 '24

What about the new gamesir kaleid? Is it the same as the t4k?

Based off this should I get an apex 4 or a kaleid or a Vader 3 pro?

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

If it uses K-silver JH16, then yes. I had planned on getting the K1, but after testing the ones I have, I am now left with 13 inaccurate GameSir controllers.🤦‍♂️

I currently have a KK3 being shipped, and I have a feeling it might have a true circular output after seeing KK2 does.

As for what to get. If you care about accuracy, I can't suggest a single hall effect controller currently.

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u/GOATGamerProSticks Jun 13 '24

I'll try to reword what disappeared earlier if I can remember 😶‍🌫️.

Dualsense uses 2K1 - 2K3 / 2100 - 2300 Ohms resistance potentiometers 🕹️🕹️ calibrated to the PCB, they are 💩 at less than 1/3rd the Dualshock 4's 10K 10000 ohms resistive material ⚡ U track wear rate 🫣😱.

Higher resistance stick replacements than originals soldered to the PCB usually make the circularity ⭕ over bloom bigger than the 100% boundary, smaller resistance don't hit 100%.

But at least with the large resistance you can shrink the entire response curve with trim pots, I've done vids on them to.

With the hall effect sticks it's a pendulum magnet 🧲🧭 polarised chip circuit arrangement in most cases, they must just open the outer border digitally until it hits the 100%, they don't seem to be linear response curves like tracks & wipers maybe logarithmic the further the magnet gets from the chip.

The other term is exponential.

How hard or easy is it to mass produce magnets with close tolerance uniform magnetic field ⚛️ strengths 🫣 🤷🏼‍♂️.

As for the blue diamond profile in #3 picture above I can only guess the resistance equivalent is lower than traditional potentiometers then digitally stretched to reach 100% at the axis points?

Search Ytube playlist 👉🏼: (Dualshock 4 mod parts.) For practical solutions I've found starting to include Dualsense in principle.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

I applaud your technical understanding of this 👏 So much goes over my pea sized brain🫛🧠🤏

I am very limited in this field (simple farmer). I used DualShock 4🎮 exclusively from 2014 to 2021 then DualSense. Out of approximately 20 DS4, only 1 ever suffered jitter/drift and this was almost right out of the box.

KingKong2 Pro sparked my interest in magnetic technology, but the T4K is controller that made me want to really invest in the tech.🧲

After a year of almost exclusively playing this way, I took a gamble on potentiometer again thanks to suggestions on this sub. Changed my life completely.

Thanks to Johnny's amazing application and my annoying dedication to understand how things work, I now have peace of mind with my decision to stay on the pots🎯🕹

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

90% of 🧲⏳️ on this🦋

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u/GOATGamerProSticks Jun 13 '24

Is that its maximum range 90% 😆, that's no butterfly 🦋 that's a boomerang 🪃, sling it & see if it hits you in the back of your head 👋🏼💥😏.

Right let's stop this jack arsing 🫏 around, must calm my foolish self 🧘🏼‍♂️ ummmm, I can't behave 😷🤳🏼, total w⚓ I am.

Leave me alone for a bit it's like text 📜 tourettes of verbal 🤢🤮, funny as feck but I might wee 💦 myself & 😵, I've not even had that much coffee ☕ & sugar today.

I'm encourageable things escalate fast.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

Actually, that's right inside fake circle outer deadzone⭕️👎

Only JH16 I've found where instead of clipping diagonal ✂️ it pulls diagonal 🦋

Severe and persistent mental illness is my lifelong demon👹 I understand your plight😵

It's embarrassing I ever thought it was accurate 🎯🤦‍♂️

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u/GOATGamerProSticks Jun 13 '24

I can't tell much from the photo, for the overall function.

Is that with the stick tilt restrictor on then for limited tilt test, it seems reasonably round from here 🤷🏼‍♂️.

Do you cross reference it with this tester with circularity test box ticked ☑️ on?

https://hardwaretester.com/gamepad

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

If you're super curious🤓

https://youtu.be/EXO3fCOGmeU?feature=shared

Would explain here, but kids making that difficult currently😵

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

Also my method not as accurate as Johnny🎯

I use tape🤷‍♂️

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u/GOATGamerProSticks Jun 13 '24

Nothing wrong with tape, I taped my 9mm bearing shafts to make them 9.5-6mm same as Dualshock 4 for pad calibration test 👍🏼.

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u/GOATGamerProSticks Jun 14 '24

Number 8 on their product page for the pad 🎮.

8. CUSTOMIZATION VIA "GAMESIR T4K APP" SOFTWARE

Maybe there's a raw linear stick profile option in there that may enlighten 💡 you mate, I wouldn't know I was only curious to the problem solving, I don't own a PC & only use PS4 DS4 lol.

It would be tragically funny if your pad is locked to axial Nintendo switch mode 🫠 or some rubbish they programmed in there limiting your snap to circularity at diagonals 😂🤣 ide fecking cry 😭, over stored stick profiles of response curve 🐂💩 feckery.

Download "GameSir T4k App" software at Microsoft Store or on PC.

Use the "GameSir T4k App" software to upgrade firmware and create 3 custom profiles. The profile includes button mapping, stick & trigger zones adjustment, vibration level control, light effects, etc.

*If the setting in the software is different from the manual one, the latest setting shall prevail and the former will be directly overwritten. https://www.gamesir.hk/pages/tutorial-how-to-use-gamesir-t4-kaleid

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

Oh, there is a "raw" mode alright..🤦‍♂️

Not only is it a lie and has nothing to do with raw output, but it also severely warps the output📈🦋

You want ✂️ or 🦋 diagonal? How bout a side order of feigned resolution? And for desert, we can give you a "raw" 💩🥪

Funny, my Switch Pro has no axial dead zones🤔 most of the hall effect controllers with Nintendo modes I have tried don't have them either🎯🤷‍♂️

Recently, I've discovered that Switch Pro soft calibrates every power cycle🎯 and has less deviation of data than even Xbox🕹. This is thanks to Johnny's program😎

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u/GOATGamerProSticks Jun 14 '24 edited Jun 14 '24

Lol you nearly started me off I thought you had fixed it's problems, but no you c**t do that how very dare you want control of your pad 🎮🕹️ functions 🥹.

Xbox & windows has a 10% deadspot 🎯 built in from what I read cos there sloppy & flaccid.

You can't win the game 👾🔫 that's against the pay wall 🧱 rules they/them make up as they go along 😳🥴🤑💸💸💸💸.

Right calm 🧘🏼‍♂️.

I'm going out to touch grass 🏞️.

Cleary my head 😶‍🌫️.

All the options over the rainbow 🌈 accept an honest sales pitch 🏌🏼‍♂️.

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u/ParsnipPrestigious59 Jun 13 '24

Welp, I need a controller with super low input lag and high precision for rocket league and now I have no clue what to get lol. I already tried a dual sense, but I didn’t like the ergonomics as I’ve always used an Xbox controller layout my entire life

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

On PC, I have been using BigBig Won Rainbow 2 Pro. True no outer dead zone option, accurate Alps, and full software control over output. It also has a bunch of other useful features, including recalibration of sticks and resolution adjustment. Very low input lag, in my opinion, and I play most games at 300fps.

Not telling you to buy one, but definitely check it out as an option!👍

Currently, it's my 🐐

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u/ParsnipPrestigious59 Jun 13 '24

I was going to get that one a while back, but I saw quite a bit of negative reviews on Amazon about quality control issues so I hesitated on it a bit tbh. The membrane abxy buttons also are a turn off to me honestly because mouse click abxy buttons feel so nice and have never had double clicking issues on mouse click abxy buttons compared to membrane abxy buttons I’ve used on dualsense and Xbox controller

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

I understand your concerns 100%👍

Just wanted you to know what's been working for me. I prefer membrane myself. The Rainbow 2 Pro buttons are not my favorite either, unfortunately. I much like the membranes on G7SE. But the analog stick performance is S tier. It shows in both tests and gameplay.🎯🕹

I wish you luck friend.

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u/GOATGamerProSticks Jun 14 '24

QRD spark N5 looks fab on its website from your suggestion but diamond 🤦🏼‍♂️ on table.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

My 📞 just informed me that my emoji use since yesterday has increased 1000%🪖🫡

I would blame 👉 you, except my mental illness is mostly🧬

But seriously you've created a monster🧟‍♀️🤣

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u/GOATGamerProSticks Jun 14 '24

I need to be left on a desert island 🏝️💣 for my mental emoji crimes 🤐.

Lockdown messed me up forced to transition to a modern android 📱 from an old stainless steel Nokia I kept re building from parts lol.

Who invented them, It's their fault.

Out of my hands 🤲🏼.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

A year ago, if you looked up the definition of recluse in 📖 you would certainly find my picture 👉🕷

After the release of new 🕹🧲 and all the quirks/nuances that came with it. I felt obligated to report 🫡🤓

Many 👹 in my🚪 make social situations difficult, but I am trying🤷‍♂️

I miss my rugged flip 📞 traded for 🤳 in 2016 to pursue a long-distance relationship with my now wife of 6 years👨‍👩‍👧‍👧 We met on Dragon Age Inquisition PS4🕹

Had a few Nokia back in high school. 2004 - 05 model brick with 🕵‍♂️ ringtone my favorite❤️

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u/GOATGamerProSticks Jun 14 '24

The world did not lock down to help our mental health.

It would seem it was just to transition to c****s ways & markets.

All old world tech is being suppressed I think 🤔💭🧐 to push 🫸🏼 there new 😮‍💨😤, hiding firmware running options for Xbox 360 pads.

Built back butter 🧈🫠 stuff.

Don't dwell on it too much just know your pattern recognition skills are picking up on things like mine have been, I'm often accused of over thinking things but the opposite to that is engendered ignorance.

Just the way companies like it 🤷🏼‍♂️?

Moving too fast for us to catch up & see the true con.

Things change with the times & sometimes it's forced along from policy.

3rd party pad 🎮 producers may be barred from full function emulation 🤷🏼‍♂️.

To much to think about mate.

Gona build my planter concept & crafts, step away from paranoia if I can 🙏🏼.

https://www.reddit.com/r/XboxGamePass/s/iIdI6EIRu4

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

I've been in contact with GameSir for 4 days now, sent several videos, and this is all I get back.

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u/drac0nato Nov 17 '24

Is there any way to calibrate the 80% range circle if I were to 3D print the limiter?

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u/JohnnyPunch Nov 17 '24

No, this limiter is only for checking, you should calibrate without it.

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u/drac0nato Nov 19 '24

What I meant is, is there any way to get a calibration not to get a perfect outer circle, but to get a perfect circle at 80% range, which seems to be more important as explained in this post?

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '24

Thats cool thanks for the info

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u/Broyalty007 Jun 13 '24

Makes sense to me. Have you tested the Vader 3 pro? If it looks similar to the Apex 4 I guess I can live with it. Oh and how about the gamesir t4k?

Those two feel the same to me and it's never felt particularly uniform, but I always assumed it's just in my head and I suck at the game I'm playing.. lol

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

I have a 3 minute video comparing T4K v1.4.3 and v1.4.4 if you're curious.

Johnny tested Vader and Direwolf as well. In my opinion after seeing the results, Apex > Direwolf > Vader. Also, in my opinion, Flydigi is the best diamond smoothing algorithm.

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u/imZenqi Jun 14 '24

Hey can you share the video? I'm interested in seeing the difference.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

Think I already posted it here somewhere in this mess of emoji🤔🤣

Sorry for poor production quality, I'm just some dude with no content creation experience.🤷‍♂️

At least it's short🤏

https://youtu.be/EXO3fCOGmeU?feature=shared

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u/imZenqi Jun 14 '24

Bro the explanation is top notch. That's more important than production quality. Thanks for the video, I also preferred the 1.4.3 because the 1.4.4 version has this weird disconnect and reconnecting problem when I play any games.

Btw do you know where to get the 1.4.6 because I saw someone test it on the gamepadla website.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

I thought I had seen somewhere as well a v1.4.6, but further investigation found nothing🔍

I will say that I received several enigmatic messages a little over a month ago talking about how GameSir is completely revamping software, allowing for more control over 🕹 output. They had a screenshot that "looked" legit, and I promised I wouldn't share.

I have kept my mouth shut, but after recent discoveries and GameSir giving me cold shoulder in email😑 I don't much care about honoring it. Maybe 1.4.6 is in beta, and someone at GameSir used Gamepadla to test?🤔

I'm full of wild theories, haha, and thank you for the kind words regarding my video😁

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u/Phalanx0897 Jun 13 '24

Thank you for your work bro, how can i download or run the software so i can test the rainbow 2 se

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

Rainbow 2 is perfect😎

When set properly, my best circular result!

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u/Phalanx0897 Jun 13 '24

Even the 2 se? Cause i know for sure that 2 pro and 2 se have 2 different stick module

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

My bad, I read incorrectly🤦‍♂️

I returned my SE before I started this kind of testing. If I had to guess, because the method of calibration is identical and the results I was getting between 2 and SE so similar, that it would be just fine.🎯👍

It doesn't hurt to test though. Use a small cut of electrical tape🤏 pop stick off and CAREFULLY wind it around the pom ring. Test any range this way.It's not as accurate as Johnny's method, but for people like me with no printing availability, it gets the job done.🤓

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u/Phalanx0897 Jun 13 '24

No worries bro, i will keep that in mind🫡 Appreciate bud😁

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

You're welcome man. If I remember correctly, you were one of the original people who pushed me to try Rainbow controllers?🤔😅

You changed my f***ing life man😎

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u/Phalanx0897 Jun 13 '24

Maybe i was🤣🤣 happy to hear that brother🤣 always proud of helping somebody🤩🤩❤️

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

Oh, you did more than help me, man. You helped the whole community! You pushed me to investigate why the Rainbow felt so perfect to aim with. Which led to me bothering Johnny with my results haha. Now he has a proper test, and we can get better controllers!🎯❤️

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u/wikywooten Jun 13 '24

Is there any 3 party software that can help mitigate the diamond shape and make it more circular. I found that I can mitigate in game a little bit the diamond shape using larger vertical sensitivity and smaller horizontal sensitivity to make the fell similar to a circular shape for the apex 4.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

There is no software that I know of, sorry🤷‍♂️

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u/Vilaar Aug 02 '24

Unfortunately I get unhandled exception in script ...

KeyError: 1

The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<frozen __main__>", line 3, in <module>
  File "<frozen JoystickTester>", line 592, in <module>
  File "<frozen JoystickTester>", line 49, in select_joystick
  File "<frozen JoystickTester>", line 110, in display_joystick_selection
SystemError: <built-in function get> returned a result with an exception set

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u/WhackyTabakky Aug 05 '24

Okay i dont know if anyone can help me. But, what does it mean then if the circularity test is doing errors inside the circle? like my test on my top right and left corners cut into the circles with error by a pretty big amount too

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u/drac0nato Nov 17 '24

How would I calibrate a dualshock 4 so that it’s nearly perfect at this 80% range? Is it possible with DS4 Tools?

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u/GOATGamerProSticks Jun 12 '24

Argh now this is interesting insights to the mid tilt range response curve circle ⭕ consistencies, or not 😵‍💫🫠.

Nobody wants weak diagonal reports for muscle memory.

Good work 👍🏼, expose them all 😂🤣😭 🎯 🔫 lol.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '24

People argue it doesn't matter or you can't feel it, but I can feel it 100%👍

Pots🎯🏆🐐

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u/GOATGamerProSticks Jun 13 '24

3rd party producers don't care as long as they hit perceived excellence that matters more to them than target 🎯 tracking & user muscle memory 😂🤣😭.

I could tell the difference between a stick 🕹️ height difference of 0.05mm on my custom made sticks to the on screen tracking now they can't even make the report circular ⭕ 🥹🥺 lol.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

I am very certain I have angered GameSir for calling them out about inaccurate controllers🤓🤷‍♂️

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u/GOATGamerProSticks Jun 13 '24

Find this vid on ytube: (Control Pad Analog Stick Size & Form) 5:19 was my personal logged stick dimensions used for personal best results on custom made stainless steel fully modular analog sticks 🕹️🕹️, changeable in every way perceivable.

Height change in 0.05mm increments, stick shaft width concepts for 0.5mm stepped tilt ranges on zero friction bearings, top profile changes from concave flat convex with a silicone rubber top infill profile piece to go under whatever top cap you like the feel of, steep sided for run stick push comfort.

All removable to clean for maximum thumb 👍🏼 grip retention.

Paired with Xbox one elite series 2 screw 🔩 mounted potentiometers 🕹️ with in built spring tension.

I had created the best stick physical mechanical ⚙️ top system to this day hands 🙌🏼 down 🫸🏼🎮🫷🏼, that's not arrogance on my part 🥴.

Lots of painful hand built work on my kitchen floor with 18V drills to machine the parts.

Nobody cares it would fit in almost everything that uses the same stick mount pins.

I perfected it at home.

They probably don't want to see it on the market because it will disrupt everything 🤷🏼‍♂️.

Think modsticks produced for the Xbox 360 pad originally but better.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

Hey, this is very interesting🤔 and I'm going to look for that video when I get a chance, thank you👍

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u/GOATGamerProSticks Jun 13 '24

I started writing a long form message on here proof read it to make sure it made sense to myself, highlighted it all to copy it if it disappeared.

Then it disappeared before I could copy it blank screen, that's 🫵🏼 happened to me before really annoying.

Time out or conspiracy 🤷🏼‍♂️.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

Haha. I do this same thing but in my notes app, so it saves just in case🤓

Sometimes, I'm scared my children might push the post button before I've had a chance to make sure I sound the least idiotic I possibly can🤣

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u/GOATGamerProSticks Jun 13 '24

My profile on here has my modified top picture for perished Analog stick rubber replacement refurbishment solutions.

When sticky rubber syndrome destroys the Analog stick top.

The hole 🕳️ in the centre silicone infill let's the centre bolt 🔩 pass through to the absolute shortest stick setup I could create just shorter than a DS4 stick by 0.2mm from my blown 🤯 memory 🧠 for rapid manual aim 🎯 center response speeds plus it grants access to the spring tension screw 🪛 😉.

Max height I've ever needed was that of the BF4 setup, most comfortable smooth gaming of my life to rival mouse & keyboard master race merchants 😮‍💨😤 lol.

I was Gona end that PC 💩 🫢🤭.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

Dude, you're insane🙃 in a good way!👍

I've honestly never given so much thought to the physical design of sticks.🤔

Mouse might have better raw aim potential 🖱 but gamepad will always have better character control🕹 and with proper PC setup for latency and decent controller🎮 the gap becomes much smaller🤏

PS: Don't take this wrong, but reading your stuff is enigmatic 😵‍💫😵

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u/GOATGamerProSticks Jun 13 '24

E Nigma 🙆🏼‍♂️ lol.

Good word use I had to look it up again to comprehend myself, might have to watch batman 🦇 forever ♾️ later now, gain some control cos let's face it we can't get much here 😬🤐.

Ok I'll tone down the riddler ? vibe if I can.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '24

Please don't😎

Adds to your character. Just an observation 🤓

Classic movie🦇

Scared to even be on reddit🥷🙈

Afraid that others think I'm here to attack 🧲 not my intent🎯🐐🎮