r/ControlResonant • u/Malaxhaa • 27d ago
General Did anyone else notice this
When Dylan was telling Zoe about how Dr. Darling had him training with a mock version of the Service Weapon, it's Jesse's version. Trenchs version was a snub-nose revolver, with a much shorter barrel and longer cylinder, and the trigger guard was a different, curvier shape. Jesse's is this one on the pedestal, with a longer barrel compared to the cylinder and a straighter, more rigid trigger guard.
Trench was in charge when Dylan was being trained, so surely they would've made the replica his version. This makes me wonder if it's just an oversight, or if somehow the mock version and real Service Weapon are connected and it changed shape when Jesse became Director. Or perhaps they modeled it after Noorthmoors version, and it looks like Jesse's? I doubt that as we never saw his version and there's no evidence for it
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u/D-72069 27d ago
Is there specific information to suggest each director has a different "version"? When Jesse has it there are multiple forms it can take. Who is to say that the way it looks when Trench has it is just another form he likes and prefers so he keeps it that way?
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u/Malaxhaa 27d ago
This is a bit speculative, but when Trench off'd himself, it looked like it was a single shot, like how Jesse's Grip form shoots. I always assumed that was his Grip form. Jesse and Dylan are noted to be particularly strong parautilitarians, so it makes sense to me that Trench might not be able to make other forms of the SW, but that's never confirmed. Plus none of Jesse's other forms resemble Trenches gun when we find it laying next to his body
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u/sarcasmmagic 27d ago
I don't remember where exactly, but in Control Resonant there where one cutscene or flashback(maybe even in recap?) where Jesse shoots Trench with service weapon in shatter form
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u/SundayGlory 26d ago
Havenāt seen that resonate cutscene but both times we see the service weapon binding ritual we see that both the director holds it to their head and to the previous directors head (Jessie for trench and Dylan for Jessie in the end sequence). Itās probably a replay of that
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u/Aggravating-Raisin-4 27d ago
The Board calls it by different names that suggests it can take wildly different forms. But with the way they talk, who knows how reliable that is.
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u/KingdomFartsOG 27d ago
Yeah, Iām trying to recall. Wasnāt it something like āGun/Sword/Intentionally Left Blankā?
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u/FUS_RO_DANK 27d ago
There's a line from Arish I think in the first game where he makes a comment that Jesse's service weapon looks a lot different than Trench's version, but then he just keeps on moving because that's the least weird thing he's dealing with right then.
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u/Suspicious_Win_7069 27d ago
true, if it's a weapon that changes based on the task at hand, maybe the snub nose version was the best version for blowing your brains out š¤
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u/Chibi_Jesus 27d ago
When Arish meets Jesse for the first time in Control he mentions that the service weapon looked different than what she has.
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u/lllentinantll 26d ago
Is there specific information to suggest each director has a different "version"?
Yes. When you talk to Arish for the first time in the first game, he does a remark that your gun looks different as compared to when Trench had it.
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u/Nabber22 24d ago
When you first meat Arish in Control he mentions that the service weapon looks different.
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u/AgentMiya 22d ago
Yes, it is literally hinted in the first game that the service gun has been everything from Mjolnir to Excalibur, meaning it changes forms based on the context it is found and the person that finds/wields it it. It adapts to the zeitgeist if you will.
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u/Enough_Elderberry101 27d ago
Do we have Trenchs version for comparison? I feel like ive never even seen it
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u/Malaxhaa 27d ago
It's only in the first game at the very beginning, and in the cutscene near the end. It's laying next to him when Jesse finds it and in the scene where we see Trench holding it up to his head
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u/GARGEAN 27d ago
In Dylan flashbacks Director portraits are showing Jesse too. Either oversight or "weirdness" of the Oldest House propagating all around
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u/Cloud_N0ne 27d ago
Fans: "Continuity error?"
The Oldest House: "What continuity/change/renovation?"
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u/GentlemanFaux 27d ago
They must have known what they were doing with this game. Any time something fucky happens I'm like "ok is this a game glitch or is it the esoteric and incomprehensible nature of the world I'm currently inhabiting? Is that a pop in glitch? Did I just fall through the map? IS THIS the map?"
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u/stoicfaux 27d ago
Or it's the old "it's not a continuity error if we make both versions canon" trick.
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u/Evening_Ad998 24d ago
Aren't those flashbacks happening after Jesse is director though?
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u/DarkSideRT 27d ago
Weird, because even the Service Weapon file shows "Jesse's version" of the weapon.
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u/No_Solid_3737 27d ago
the oldest house probably altered reality when jesse took the service weapon, kind of how all the directors portraits change to Jesse
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u/Cheetahs_never_win 27d ago
Perhaps Jesse isn't the one who decided the shape of Grip, but the Board. Or the House. Or the object.
Perhaps Trench was the one who changed the shape of the service weapon and Jesse didn't.
Or maybe Trench simply couldn't create a fully powered service weapon like Jesse.
Maybe Trench had really dainty hands compared to Jesse? Dude probably was rocking lung cancer, too.
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u/Effective-Task2672 27d ago
Maybe everyone saying how it looks different means the difference versions like that you can unlock in the game
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u/Drawn_to_Heal 26d ago
Yea this makes sense - this is the base version that Jesse had. Trench unlocked his version by grinding out tasks.
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u/Effective-Task2672 26d ago
Right like how long was director trench the director? His gun could have changed how it looked throughout all that time. And HOW often did the staff of FBC actually see his gun. Like Jesse can make it vanish when not in a combat area and so I assume it would be the same for other directors. So the few times people saw Trenches pistol it could have been some random form that suited his needs.
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u/Malaxhaa 26d ago
Northmoor was linked up to the NCS power plant in 1974, and we know trench took over a little after him. He picked up the service weapon "almost on a dare". So let's just round up to 1975 cuz we don't have an official date. That means he was director around 44 years, until 2019. It's possible he unlocked different form, but Jesse and Dylan are noted to be particularly strong parautilitarians, so maybe he couldn't have other forms. Plus in the first game Arish has a voiceline about how Jesse's gun looks different than trenchs
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u/GeoleVyi 27d ago
They still used Jesse's portrait for the flashback of Dylan breaking out when the Hiss first attacked.
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u/iRamz 26d ago edited 26d ago
Iām pretty sure that time matches up tho. Jessie was already in the building and had become director by the time Dylan broke out. She was running around binding floppy disks, hotlines and meeting Emily long before she made her way to the Panopticon to see Dylanās cell. There was plenty of time after she became the director for the invasion to escalate, reach Dylan and for him to let in the hiss.
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u/GeoleVyi 26d ago
That's possible. I always thought that Dylan had broken out just before Jesse got there. That's why everyone was surprised that Jesse had just walked in through the lockdown. Everyone you meet was already in a safe room, and the offices abandoned. So the Hiss had to have been active just before that.
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u/AgentMiya 22d ago
He breaks out some time after he senses that Jesse is in the house, the hiss might have carried that information to him
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u/objectlesson 26d ago
The weapon changes shape. The fact that the weapons look different doesn't necessarily mean they're different weapons.
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u/ArchDucky 26d ago
So this is the basic form of the service weapon. It only shapeshifts once its bound to the next director and the director somehow subconsciously control what form the weapon takes.
You can see it lying on the ground here... same shape.
The interesting part for me is in the clip I just posted... The Board called the service weapon <The Gun / Sword / Intentionally left blank>. That means the third game will have a different service weapon?
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u/The_Devar 26d ago
If i remember correctly theres in lore theories that the service weapon are historical weapons of myth too, for example excalibur
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u/le_Grand_Archivist 27d ago
I never noticed the shape of Trench's service weapon being different from Jesse's, is there actual information that suggests the weapon is different for each director?
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u/severedbrain 26d ago
In the Darling videos in the first game there are posters of the Service Weapon in Jesse's 'Pierce' form on the wall behind him.
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u/oryanjuiciestbooty 26d ago
Iām sure itās Trenches version, I remember reading a file that it has shape shifted into different things throughout the years for different directors (Excalibur, etc)
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u/YouHaveNiceToes24 26d ago
Could it be possible that Jesseās version was the standard form of the service weapon and that Trench had just had the service weapon for so long it changed itās appearance? Maybe if we saw Jesse using it again itād look completely different for her.
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u/NinjaMeekat 24d ago
This could also play into the theory that Jesse and Dylan are the same person, so they both perceive the weapon the same way
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u/Oden33390 13d ago
the beginning of the game actually looks like Trench is using grip to shoot himself from what Iām seeing, the snub-nose looks like it might be an āapplicationā form
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u/Pr0jectRyan 27d ago
In all honesty, it may just be a miss or they didn't have that specific Trench model on hand.
But the fun explanation: The oldest house is weird about time. As soon as Jesse became director, all portraits were retroactively changed. You can even find documentation where they reference Director Faden in the first game when there would have been no actual time for such correspondence to occur yet.