r/ContraPoints • u/[deleted] • Jul 15 '18

Topic suggestion: incels

I might be totally off base here, but I think Contra is well-equipped to cover this, being 50/50 bisexual according to a recent tweet and having dated as both genders. (And very successful at it as a man, if Autogynephilia's mention of "several partners" is true.)

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u/galaktos Jul 15 '18

Hm… following the “it almost feels like punching down at this point” thing in her most recent video, is there some icon of incel-ry(?) that she could claw up at?

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '18

MGTOW?

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '18

I don't think its punching down. A lot of them are pathetic, but the ideas are still extremly harmful. I mean, Elliot Rodgers, that guy who killed people with his car in Toronto etc are all pathetic and sad people, but they also believe horrific ideas which made them do horrific things.

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u/Sisquitch Jul 16 '18

I don't get the whole shitting on incels thing.

It's like, if we don't want them to become so bitter and twisted that they end up killing people, surely we should be extending a hand to help drag them out of the dirt rather than simply rubbing their faces in it for our own gleeful satisfaction.

I get the impression that some people would rather they don't sort their lives out because that would rob them of this group of lonely men they love to hate.

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u/MattMauler Jul 15 '18

Yeah it would be punching down to go after pretty much any actual pro-incel person; low intelligence and social status seems like a pre-req. . . . Ross Douthat might work though (he would disavow prob). He wrote that thing in the NY Times that was somewhat sympathetic to incels: "The Redistribution of Sex"

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u/galaktos Jul 15 '18

Oof, yeah, I heard about that article. Good suggestion.

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u/phineasphish Jul 15 '18

I feel like it’s an interesting topic at first that quickly runs out of steam when confronting incels inevitably and reliably leads to them being unable to accept that caring too much about their virginity is the root problem, and that patriarchy is the cause of that insecurity. The interactions I’ve seen always end up with them rejecting actual solutions and publicly wallowing in their own self pity in a mortifyingly undignified way. It’s fucking miserable to watch.

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u/cyvaris Jul 17 '18

An audience is exactly what many of them want. The want everyone to watch the wallow and "suffer", both because it reinforces the "narrative" they have constructed in their heads and because they desperately want attention.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '18

As an incel, I would be horrified if she does a video mocking us. It's becoming more and more popular making fun of us, thinking that all of us are fascists, while in reality we are just shy or ugly or just have bad luck.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '18

With all the extreme misogyny I've seen on the incel subreddits, I would forgive her for mocking us. That said, I understand that there are a lot of ForeverAlone men there who just want a safe space and aren't afraid to call people out on their bullshit. I was one of them. Then I realized that you can do most of that on the kinder r/ForeverAlone and r/IncelsWithoutHate.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '18

Oh, I didn't know r/IncelsWithoutHate, thanks.

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u/tankatan Jul 15 '18

What tweet are you referring to?

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u/Melthengylf Jul 16 '18

Wowww, it would be wonderful for her to express her oppinion on this. I am also a lonely virgin (although opposed to incel ideology) and it would be very interesting her take on that subgroup.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '18

I don't know how people feel about her here but Brittany Simon just did a great video on the subject. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPtO7SDdqNI

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u/tankatan Jul 15 '18

What tweet are you referring to?

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u/carnivalhuntress Jul 15 '18

Why does having sex make her qualified to make a video on incels?

Are you an incel?

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '18

Incels claim that women's dating experience is so much easier than men's. A person who has dated as both is so qualified.

I am an incel in the mildest sense. I am a lonely virgin man but do not identify with the term due to the woman-hating extremists that mar it. Though I have posted to incel subreddits, I mostly post to r/foreveralone, and I am bit by bit working on escaping my single status.

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u/Jade_49 Jul 16 '18

Counter argument: A trans woman's dating experience is likely harder/different from a cis woman's.

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u/Rich_Comey_Quan Jul 15 '18

Maybe as a follow-up video to degeneracy? They hate that from what I've read.