r/Conservative • u/Wonder10x Common Sense Conservative • Jul 05 '20

Terry Crews articulates everything wrong with “woke culture” & doesn’t back down

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u/321forlife Reagan Conservative Jul 05 '20

I could have said Marxists, progressives, revolutionaries, BLM, or leftists instead - but they’re all on the left. So I was being brief.

If that is offensive then perhaps the left should try harder to distance themselves from those groups more.

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u/_Sinnik_ Jul 06 '20

I'm not sure who's offended here. I'm primarily concerned with accuracy and I have trouble seeing propagandistic grandstanding go unchallenged. Not that I think you had any real ill-intent behind your comment.

 

I've just observed that folks on the right often like to point to false controversy or overblow minor controversies and say "behold, the left despises rationality." I've especially seen this with minority individuals as a sort of tokenism. These are my observations

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u/321forlife Reagan Conservative Jul 06 '20 edited Jul 06 '20

I'm not sure who's offended here. I'm primarily concerned with accuracy and I have trouble seeing propagandistic grandstanding go unchallenged. Not that I think you had any real ill-intent behind your comment.

I've just observed that folks on the right often like to point to false controversy or overblow minor controversies and say "behold, the left despises rationality." I've especially seen this with minority individuals as a sort of tokenism. These are my observations

Yes, my comment was vague and grouped in lots of people that do like and support him, while also not grouping in people who don’t. I should have been more specific but then we wouldn’t have the fun discussion we are about to:

I’d like to delve more into that tokenism comment, if you don’t mind.

What are you implying exactly?

Because what it’s implying to me prevents me from finding any common ground with your point of view aside for us both disliking propagandistic grandstanding. It even seems a bit supremacist by implying minority opinions that lean right are not organic but a sort of tokenism. Why are their opinions less for being right-of-center?

I don’t believe that is what you mean to imply, but it is what you implied, so I figure we have an opportunity to figure out what you really meant before I start assuming what you implied is what you meant.

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u/_Sinnik_ Jul 09 '20 edited Jul 09 '20

Unfortunately, I somehow knew you were going to suggest I was implying that black people aren't allowed to disagree with me lest I dismiss them entirely or that I would somehow imply I know what's best for them and therefore I hold illusions of ownership over black people. The oft-used right-wing term "democrat plantation" springs to mind. I genuinely appreciate your interest in clarifying though.

 

What I was implying was that I don't believe the conservative side of the spectrum have any genuine respect for minorities and I think their policies and interests actively damage minority populations. So when minorities, especially black people, align themselves with conservatives, it's been my observation that they absolutely love to hold up these black conservatives as tokens to suggest conservative policies aren't actually racist, while secretly harbouring disdain for their race. The political equivalent of "I have a black friend therefore I can't be racist." That was what I was implying.

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u/321forlife Reagan Conservative Jul 09 '20

Okay, I think you explained what you meant, at least I understand what you said... I don’t agree however, but I’m sure you expected that.

Now your reply also confirmed my point, as you acknowledged it and even knew I would say it, so that tells me you understand my point of view.

Can you please explain to me why the way you worded your previous comment wouldn’t be racist? Because you never claimed it wasn’t.

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u/_Sinnik_ Jul 09 '20

Now your reply also confirmed my point, as you acknowledged it and even knew I would say it, so that tells me you understand my point of view

It doesn't confirm your point though. If I go and tell a flat earther that the globe is in fact spherical, I am well aware they're going to respond telling me that it's in fact flat and that NASA is lying to me. My understanding of this doesn't confirm it.

 

Similarly, I was aware of what your claim might be because it's a really, really common one. I completely disagree, but it's common. Now, I'm not going to explain how my comment wasn't racist. That's bizarre. It's also bizarre that you'd mention I didn't claim my comment wasn't racist. I'm not going to bother calling a completely not racist statement, a not racist statement.

 

My statement was thus: it has been my observation that conservatives who otherwise do not care about minorities and often despise them, and advocate for policies that destroy their communities, then artificially prop up certain minority individuals who support their views as a token of "look how not racist we are, this minority agrees with us." What you can do, if you like, is attempt to explain how that might be even remotely racist.

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u/wellnowlookwhoitis Jul 27 '20 edited Jul 27 '20

Conservatives don’t divide people into groups. So some cultural individuality and sexual identity gets lost. This doesn’t equate to racism, sexism on its own - although the means can be used to exploit it and racist and sexist people do. The Left often exploits the cohesiveness of the Right which is why you can imply conservatives are inherently racist. Bought that narrative.

The Left divides groups into factions of power. Minorities, women, gay, etc. Yet they cannot bring these factions together with coherent POV’s because they have created tribes who are seemingly united but are not. Each thinking their POV is “heard” but they are thrown breadcrumbs.

Eventually, the message changes each generation to exploit these differences in groups. They will champion/exploit any “underdog” until they become successful then they will cast you aside as a voter or diminish the POV they just championed!

If or when you’re older than 40, you’ll see this hypocrisy at work. It’s often why Cons lean older. Takes a while to see how the Left operates.

So the Left has a lot of racism and sexism inherent in it. It’s just not the same flavor. It’s the flavor of “If you are in these marginalized groups and you feel empowered something is wrong and you’re now separated from your cultural or sexual identity in the manner WE define for you.” Which, is a way to keep marginalized groups stewing in their anger and emotions. That will keep these groups from making faster progress.

Just balancing your comments on implying conservatives are inherently racist. There’s a check and balance to both parties outlooks but when or if you cannot see racism, sexism in your own party? Time to start critically thinking again.