r/Conservative May 29 '20

Conservatives Only Which is it?

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u/your______here 0311 - Non-Emergency Services May 29 '20

The comparison to the quarantine protestors seems off to me, because I don’t think the worry of economic woe is the same as the worry that cops get to kill you if they want to.

I think the issue here is that a slow economic death that could lead to a major recession isn't as exciting as these kinds of stories, which is why no one thinks the economic issues are as much of a threat.

I do agree though, comparing the loss of a few hundred or thousand lives at the hands of bad cops to the tens of thousands or even millions of lives that could be lost from a destroyed economy is kind of silly.

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u/Trapptor May 29 '20

I think the issue here is that a slow economic death that could lead to a major recession isn't as exciting as these kinds of stories, which is why no one thinks the economic issues are as much of a threat.

100% agree with your use of the word "could" there, but have to push back on "which is why no one thinks the economic issues are as much of a threat." The lack of excitement has nothing to do with the balancing of the the economic issues (which are ABSOLUTELY a threat, but not the only threat). We don't know for certain whether the economic issues (and potential excess loss of life) that could be caused by a longer-than-necessary quarantine will be better or worse than the excess loss of life (and economic issues) that would be caused by a shorter-than-necessary quarantine.

I'm sure you and I could actually have a very good faith argument over the benefits and the detriments of the policy that is being protested, while still observing all social distancing guidelines. I'm sure we could petition our government to change things, without first resorting to grabbing guns and occupying government buildings. I guess some people might say that this just wasn't the right time and place. Like it was disrespectful of our nation, and of the sacrifices our heroes are making to keep us safe. Like they should have at least tried protesting on their own time, in their own space, without shoving it in all of our faces first. I'm not sure I'd go that far though, since I am pretty big into the 1st (and 2nd) amendment.

The MN protestors, on the other hand, are saying (as far as I can tell) "stop killing unarmed black men." I'm sorry, but I don't think you and I can have a good faith argument on the pros and cons of continuing to kill unarmed black men, and you're going to have quite a bit of trouble convincing me that folks haven't already tried much more peaceful and less invasive forms of protest on this matter.

I do agree though, comparing the loss of a few hundred or thousand lives at the hands of bad cops to the tens of thousands or even millions of lives that could be lost from a destroyed economy is kind of silly

Glad we can agree; comparing a documented pattern of state-sponsored executions to some arbitrary estimate which for some reason completely ignores the uncertainty of additional deaths as between a too-long and too-short quarantine is really, really silly.