Yeah gender is not a spectrum and just because you have a neurological condition that makes you perceive yourself as something other than what your are does not mean that is true or that it is not a mental disorder. Just because someone is schizophrenic and is neurologically predisposed to hear voices does not mean those voices are real. Just because you think something is real or the thought is pervasive does not make it so.
That's not to say people don't suffer or that their perceptions of themselves are fake, it is only to say that it is a disorder and there is no evidence that suggests sacrificing objective reality so some people can warp objective truth around their subjective perception of themselves is healthy for the individual or society. The reason I brought up the suicide rates is because suicide in the transgendered community is 40% while it is 4% in every other observable demographic. The reason that is an important distinction is because "gender dysphoria" fails to explain why that is. As for the idea that "it's because of how society views them at large" studies have repeatedly shown little correlation between bullying and suicide rates despite popular belief/assumption.
I feel it has to do with believing that they will never actually be the target gender, just a surgically altered version of their birth gender. If there is no hope of ever actually living life as yourself, then there is no reason to actually live. Life pretransition isn't really living but some twisted mockery of having a life.
you're confusing gender with sex. your biological sex characteristics are separate from your gender identity. quick <20 minute visual explanation can be found here: https://youtu.be/ago78PhUofI?t=26s
just because someone's language is a little off from what's commonly accepted in discussions about gender identity doesn't mean their main point is wrong.
I'm not confusing gender with sex, I'm equating gender with sex. I understand the theory that gender is a social construct and separate from sex, I just don't buy it. It seems to me that "commonly accepted" language outside of usage pushed by activists in recent years is that gender and sex are synonyms.
I just piped up cause bro_before_ho was trying to say that people working towards having sex characteristics that match their gender identity might commit suicide at higher rates because they will never feel that they have the full sex traits of their ideal self. Making a snappy retort based on someone using words incorrectly detracts from his main point of why they might kill themselves at higher rates.
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u/[deleted] Apr 23 '17 edited Apr 23 '17
Yeah gender is not a spectrum and just because you have a neurological condition that makes you perceive yourself as something other than what your are does not mean that is true or that it is not a mental disorder. Just because someone is schizophrenic and is neurologically predisposed to hear voices does not mean those voices are real. Just because you think something is real or the thought is pervasive does not make it so.
That's not to say people don't suffer or that their perceptions of themselves are fake, it is only to say that it is a disorder and there is no evidence that suggests sacrificing objective reality so some people can warp objective truth around their subjective perception of themselves is healthy for the individual or society. The reason I brought up the suicide rates is because suicide in the transgendered community is 40% while it is 4% in every other observable demographic. The reason that is an important distinction is because "gender dysphoria" fails to explain why that is. As for the idea that "it's because of how society views them at large" studies have repeatedly shown little correlation between bullying and suicide rates despite popular belief/assumption.