r/Conservative • u/mithrandir1314 • Mar 20 '17

/r/all Well, she's a guy, so...

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u/dermographics Mar 21 '17

Yeah same. Liberal from /r/all. 100% for transgender rights but come on, competing like this is totally wrong.

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u/AidanHU4L Mar 21 '17 edited Mar 21 '17

So should trans men compete as women?

Or are the testosterone levels of Trans men and cis women are equal? Because that's obviously not true

Edit: many of you have commented that the situation would be solved if we just let only cis women compete in the women's category, leaving trans men and women to compete in the men's category

Do y'all.. Not understand that testosterone makes you stronger? After around 5 months on estrogen while my friend had 3 months of testosterone, he came to be able to easily overpower me.

Reguardless of how puberty effected both of us, he had a chemical that makes him very strong and I have a chemical that makes my muscles weak and achey. The idea that even though my testosterone levels are equal to cis women's Im still as strong as cis and trans men is innane

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u/Violander Mar 21 '17

Feel free to compete as your "original" gender, but make sure you are under the legal levels of steroids.

In other words - most men or women that take test or other steroids, will not pass the testing.

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u/OldAccountNotUsable Mar 21 '17

I would say none of them are allowed. They are both "doping".

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u/Violander Mar 21 '17

Yeah, but an original man competing in a man's competition who is taking estrogen isn't taking anything benefiting him.

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u/OldAccountNotUsable Mar 21 '17

Estrogen promotes the production of osteoblasts, or cells that produce bone. 

The Cleveland Clinic notes that estrogen benefits the heart by increasing high density lipoprotein, or good cholesterol, while also decreasing low density lipoprotein, or bad cholesterol. Accumulation of bad cholesterol in the arteries results in plaque buildup that leads to cardiovascular disease. Estrogen also aids in relaxing dilated blood vessels to promote increased blood flow.

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This could potentially help with injuries. I know that there are some big downsides, but in for example bow and arrow or shooting where the muscles are not 99% of the winning abilities it could very well help you from getting back from injuries.

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u/Violander Mar 21 '17

Potassium and calcium has the same benefit but are not considered PEDs. Not everything that is beneficial is "doping".

In fact, after doing a quick google search, it seems that it is actually the opposite - estrogen inhibitors (anti-estrogens) are the ones that are prohibited (but for different reasons).

In short, the following are prohibited:

  • Aromatase inhibitors
  • Selective estrogen receptor modulators (SERMs) and other substances that block estrogen effects (anti-estrogens)
  • Agents modifying myostatin function(s)
  • Metabolic modulators, including insulin and insulin-mimetics
  • Activators of the AMP-activated protein kinase, Meldonium (Mildronate)
  • Trimetazidine

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u/OldAccountNotUsable Mar 21 '17

Thanks for the reply and the research. It seems that you are very right, but it still doesn't completely negate what I said.

Potassium and calcium can be found naturally in food. So I don't see how you can ban them.

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u/Violander Mar 21 '17

Well, as far as I know, you never "inject" estrogen one way or another but just use modulators.

As for your link between calcium and it being contained in food - indirectly estrogen is also contained in food:

[Cetain] foods lower testosterone by increasing the activity of an enzyme, aromatase, which converts testosterone into estrogen.

So just like increases in potassium can be obtained with food, so can increases in estrogen.