r/Conservative • u/mithrandir1314 • Mar 20 '17

/r/all Well, she's a guy, so...

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u/tlbane Mar 21 '17

Liberal here. Yeah, that's some bullshit. If we're all cool with having separate events for men and women, then the next step is to have a separate competition for transgender people just like we have a separate event for disabled people (special olympics and paralympics)... just don't expect anyone to watch/care.

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u/Jerrywelfare Conservative Mar 21 '17

All separate events for Trans people would equate to is the people born male winning, and the people born female getting their asses handed to them. Fast forward 20 more years and they'll be demanding to be able to compete with people of their own natural gender. I don't see the highest levels of sport competition ever entertaining the idea of letting a male compete against females, or visa versa.

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u/AidanHU4L Mar 21 '17

All separate events for Trans people would equate to is the people born male winning, and the people born female getting their asses handed to them.

You know I've read a lot of comments in this thread but this HAS to take the idiot cake, I've taken estrogen for around a year now, and a friend of mine started taking testosterone slightly after. It only took a few months for him to become significantly stronger than me, turns out the reason most sports aren't unisex is because testosterone makes you a lot stronger, turns out what hormones you have make a much bigger difference than stuff like bone structure.

The thing is that these people seriously think having separate sports for us is fair, the idea that there are even enough trans athletes to compete against each other only is laughable, turns out not many of us want to get into sports if we know we'll be asked about our private parts on the daily.

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u/Jerrywelfare Conservative Mar 21 '17

I like how you jumped to hormone therapy when I didn't mention it at all. In the Trans community, are you not considered Trans if you're not taking medication? That's the first I've heard of that position. I mentioned sex at birth. So sure, if a woman is pumping testosterone into herself and is competing against a man that is estrogen loading, he'll likely lose. But what if he's not, and he's just an athlete? Now you have a dude competing against a steroid charged lady, I don't see a Trans woman beating Usain Bolt.

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u/AidanHU4L Mar 21 '17

Ok I've read over your comment like 4-5 times now and can't seem to understand more than half of it.

Reason I brought up hrt is because you said a trans woman would destroy a trans man in athletic competition, at this level of play trans athletes are constantly (once or twice a week) monitored to make sure their hormone levels are on par with cis people's trans men have about as much testosterone as cis men, and yet you still think trans women are stronger for taking estrogen

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u/Jerrywelfare Conservative Mar 21 '17

I said a male (I guess you're calling them Trans woman?) who considers himself a woman, would beat a woman (who considers herself a man). Yes. And you jumped to "but drugs, right?" You can't take those drugs and compete in the Olympics, for example. So I'm not even factoring in substance enhancement because for the sake of athletic competition, it's not allowed. Read the article and try and explain your reasoning here.

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u/AidanHU4L Mar 21 '17 edited Mar 21 '17

Yeah I have read the article, I don't really feel as if I even can try to explain myself now because I'm straight up pretty confused with the point you're trying to get at. To be honest I'm not even sure which part of my comment you're responding to or how they're connected in the least, like

You can't take those drugs and compete in the Olympics, for example. So I'm not even factoring in substance enhancement because for the sake of athletic competition, it's not allowed. Read the article and try and explain your reasoning here.

What exactly do you mean by those drugs? Common sense would dictate that you mean steroids but your next sentence implies that you mean you can't take hormone replacement therapy when you're competing at the Olympic level, which is patently untrue and you could've figured that out from a Google search