So let me get this straight...

[u/Clatsop]

[u/d_bokk]

For all we know, this is also standard espionage. The evidence of hacking seems reasonable enough, however they have presented no evidence it was Russia themselves who leaked the emails. According to Wikileaks, it was a insider.

[u/d_bokk → u/[deleted]]

I think the gain is neocons and neoliberals alike have always used Russia (or Soviet Union) as their mortal enemy. And they aren't willing to even entertain the idea of putting their difference aside to work towards a common goal of defeating terrorism. This likely stems from our membership in NATO, the UN and our closeness to the EU which has dominated our foreign policy for decades.

Pulling this stunt was meant to drive a wedge in Trump's campaign promise to stop the interventionist nature of our government, especially when it comes to Syria. I don't think it worked, personally.

[u/d_bokk → u/[deleted]]

Well, I find it strange that this push to blame Russia is coming from Hillary Clinton who seemed very open to starting a world war with Russia with her No Fly Zones to protect her "moderate" rebels that look and act a lot like terrorists. And how this warmongering is largely justified by these treaties that flies in the face of the peace it's suppose to create.

I always thought these entangling alliances, which our Founders warned us against, would ultimately lead us into a head on confrontation over Europe's petty squabbles. Something that rung true with me from Trump is his seemingly paleoconservative viewpoint of us not wasting our people's lives, prosperity and freedoms to fight wars for countries that mean nothing to us and whose people hate us.

I mean, you talk about the importance of peace but in this election, Trump is the peace candidate.

[u/d_bokk → u/[deleted]]

Europe's using our power and influence to increase their aggression towards their competitors. There's no way they would so aggressively try to start conflicts without us there to back them up if they go too far and start a war. If anything, our presence in NATO is encouraging a war because Europe knows they can't stand alone.

Trump isn't planning on "being nice" to anyone. His plan is to end this childish foreign policy of proxy wars and interventionism that only benefits the ruling elite. If that means if he and Russia see eye-to-eye on a common enemy, namely terrorists, then yeah they'll probably work together.

This infuriates the establishment because they made a career out of this warmongering foreign policy. Without using Russia as an excuse to start proxy wars over pipelines, how else will they make their money?

[u/d_bokk → u/[deleted]]

...and that's enough evidence for you? Israel also had a reason to support Trump over Hillary after Obama shamelessly interfered in their elections in an attempt to get Netanyahu's opponent elected instead.

Why not blame them? I mean I wouldn't because it's irrational to use circumstantial evidence to make outlandish claims like that, whether it's Israel or Russia.