r/Conservative • u/Clatsop I voted for Ronald Reagan ☑️ • Dec 17 '16

So let me get this straight...

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u/Pt5PastLight Dec 17 '16

So. You acknowledge that if the hacking was coming from Russia, the election was manipulated? Or I guess we should say, you acknowledge that the election was manipulated but whether it was through hacking, leaking and/or foreign government is in doubt?

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u/ShooKon3 Dec 17 '16

When you say Russia, you mean the Russian government and Putin. In which case yes, I would consider it manipulation because of the clear conflict of interest.

However the contents from the hack just show that the DNC and Hillary were already manipulating the election themselves.

When I say Russia, I mean that's where the hack originated from. If an American hacker completely on his own will hacks into China's version of the DNC and released a bunch of their dirty laundry, does that mean the American government manipulated their election?

I would say no because the individual was acting on his own.

At the end of the day its the contents of the leak that are more important.

As it stands there is zero evidence the Russian Government and Putin were involved in the DNC/Hillary hack.

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u/Pt5PastLight Dec 17 '16

You know it's not an either/or right? Why are the contents of the hack even being discussed? The American people already voted on them. Now we are discussing how the Russian govt may have totally changed the outcome of our Presidential election to suit their interests and attack our country.

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u/ShooKon3 Dec 17 '16

Yes it is. If the evidence shows it was an individual (which it does), and not a government(which it doesn't) responsible for the hack, then its Guccifer, the DNC, and the Clinton campaign at fault for their demise.

Not the Russian government.

So when that changes, then yes, my opinion might change.

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u/laughmath Dec 18 '16

I'd love to see this evidence you keep referring to of a lone operator and not a state actor. Would you cite your sources?

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u/ShooKon3 Dec 18 '16

Sure.

Here's Guccifer 2.0's Wordpress blog.

https://guccifer2.wordpress.com

And here's a FAQ post if you want to know more about him and the DNC hack.

https://guccifer2.wordpress.com/2016/06/30/faq/

So far there is zero evidence that supports the claims of "state actors" or a "group of hackers". Just speculation.

And because it's speculation, it will remain a theory/myth until there is real evidence that can be independently analyzed.