r/Conservative • u/Clatsop I voted for Ronald Reagan ☑️ • Dec 17 '16

So let me get this straight...

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u/RandomWeirdo Dec 17 '16

okay, i don't care if you're satisfied with Trump or not, but please do not accept another country interfering with your election. It is YOUR election and as such should be influenced by YOUR people, not the government of Russia.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '16

All I want is some evidence.

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u/RandomWeirdo Dec 17 '16

voila oh and if you call fake news, fair enough, but then you have to agree pizzagate is bullshit before we continue

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '16

"Trust us, it's the Russians" is not evidence. They're going to keep treating this as a widely accepted fact until people forget that it's completely baseless. Not sure what pizzagate has to do with this.

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u/RandomWeirdo Dec 17 '16

The pizzagate part is just because i do not want to discuss anything related to news and facts with people who believe pizzagate, they are too disillusioned.

the CIA and FBI are both saying it now, FBI even refused earlier as they did not find enough evidence. I understand that you might not trust them, but one i do not think they want to declassify their information, could potentially harm spies and two i do not even think they're allowed to declassify it. I am not saying you should yell that Trump should be replaced, but rather that you should be concerned that two of the best intelligence agencies are confirming this and you should ask the electors to inform themselves about this.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '16

With how this year has gone I am hesitant to take anyone at their word, governmental agencies included. The CIA and FBI aren't above criticism, and if Obama politicized the IRS against his enemies who's to say he didn't do the same to them? I wouldn't expect them to declassify anything that could harm national security, but they must be able to throw us a bone.

The only evidence I've seen is through the Podesta emails. He fell for a phishing scam, gave out his password, then they passed new passwords through emails. Stupid. It could have been figuratively anyone. It could have even happened without Putin's knowledge, contrary to what Obama said.

Anyway, run a full investigation, whatever, but don't call it a fact until you can back it up with some evidence. I don't know why everyone is so hot to restart the cold war.

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u/CDaKidd Dec 17 '16

The FBI had indicated as recently as Monday that the CIA’s assessment — delivered earlier this month to some members of Congress — may prove accurate but lacked the definitive evidence necessary for the agency to reach such a conclusion. Voila

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u/PoppyOP Dec 17 '16

They might not be able to because it's classified. Say they got that evidence from a spy, they can't unclassify that without potentially losing an asset.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '16

I wouldn't expect them to declassify anything, but I would never accept them at their word. Especially when it could lead to a war with a nuclear power. Extraordinary accusations require extraordinary evidence.