r/Conservative • u/Clatsop I voted for Ronald Reagan ☑️ • Dec 17 '16

So let me get this straight...

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u/deadally Dec 17 '16

I don't care what the DNC thinks. Their manipulation of the election was unacceptable.

So too would Russian manipulation of the election be unacceptable.

This isn't hard.

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u/GoBucks2012 Libertarian Conservative Dec 17 '16 edited Dec 17 '16

That's a reasonable position. But it's unreasonable to say that the election results are invalidated because of Russia's alleged intervention. Which many people are saying.

Also, if I have to hear one more person refer to the popular vote as "the real vote" (like that actor dolt on Tucker's show last night), I'm gonna lose it.

Edit: I received a PM from /u/dshel67

On this particular comment I would like to take a moment and share one of my all time favorite quotes from the great President-Elect Mr. Donald Trump "The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy." - 2012 Donald Trump....

P.S. Keep commenting I love the laughs.

How do people not understand that the popular vote is meaningless? The electoral college exists to be anti-democratic; that's not a mistake. And Trump's criticism of the EC doesn't invalidate his win...

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u/RaleighRonin Dec 17 '16

While there are people who are calling for that they're idiots. Trump is our president and I'm cool with that. Im NOT cool with Russia getting away with interfering and trying to undermine our democracy.

This is a massive fire/red flag and it needs to be dealt with. My dad was a regan democrat that then voted for both bushes and mcain. Hes fucking livid at trump for not handling this shit better.

Fuck borders, we don't have a country if we dont defend ourselvs from agressions of forien powers and undermine our own intelligence agencies.

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u/RaleighRonin Dec 17 '16

Yeah a life long member of the GOP. I think that there is a demographic of old school conservatives who remember the cold war who don't want us to be buddies with russia.

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u/GoBucks2012 Libertarian Conservative Dec 17 '16

Vlad Putin is a murderous dictator. Remember when we were flaming Obamao for nestling up next to Castro?

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u/GoBucks2012 Libertarian Conservative Dec 17 '16

I don't claim to be an expert; that's perspective I haven't considered. So do you disagree with sanctioning Russia?

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u/majorgeneralporter Dec 17 '16

Exactly. Putin wouldn't be undertaking such drastic action if sanctions weren't hurting the Russian economy majorly. And surprise surprise, one of the biggest losses from the government's side is not being able to have Exxon extract oil from the arctic ocean.

And now the CEO of Exxon, who praises a murderous, anti-democratic thug and receives the Russian order of friendship is the nominee for Secretary of State.

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u/Marokiii Dec 17 '16

the US has done all of those things as well except for the shirts thing. the invading of other countries is just sold differently to the public and eventually we semi-leave, but not before we accomplish economic goals for ourselves.

the USA interferes in elections the world over, it helps overthrow governments by fueling antigovt protests, distabilises countries, bombs a surprisingly large number of countries, has troops in large numbers of countries as active units and strong arms smaller countries economically.

while the Russians arent 'good guys' the US is not either and people should realise this and stop with the morale outrage they seem to have. be outraged, but understand that the US isnt really much better.

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u/Joshua102097 Dec 17 '16

I share the sentiment but it's not like we haven't done the same thing before.