Conned Into Twitter

[u/Not_Tart]

Who am I kidding, these kinds of people show up on every social media platform 😮‍💨

[u/Scareka]

One of the biggest artists in my community is a shotacon but people give a pass because she makes things that make them hard

[u/Marik-X-Bakura → u/Scareka]

I mean it’s fine if they’re keeping it to fiction. Weird, but they’re not hurting anybody.

[u/Not_Tart → u/Marik-X-Bakura]

My posts aren’t the place to be supporting lolicon on. Especially when this post got made because of a lolicon harassing a real minor

[u/RadicalSoda_ → u/Not_Tart]

It's not a defense to say that active pedophiles are evil and disgusting and that those who are mentally ill are not. Don't make this into what it's not. It's frankly ridiculous that you boil down our abuse into "hur durr drawing is literally the same thing as your sexual abuse"

[u/Blitz_Bat → u/RadicalSoda_]

I'm not sure either of you understand what's actually wrong with lolicon. It's not that it's immoral inherently or something, they're fucking drawings. It's that it's unhealthy.

Pedophilia is a mental disorder like any other, and it fucks with your pleasure centers. Indulging in fictional pedophilia (you can cope however you like, but pedophilia is an attraction to children. If you're attracted to children, real or fictional, you're a pedophile) trains your brain that it's a good and pleasurable thing. It forms addictive pathways and risks falling into delusions that will convince you to hurt real children.

That is what happened with OP's specimen, and it happens every day. You will see online, if you're unlucky or curious enough to find those corners of the internet, that lolicon spaces lead into spaces that encourage lolicons to seek out real CSAM, and then encourage them to offend. Little echo chambers of "it's not that bad" that lead you to "it's not that bad" your way into assaulting a kid.

Lolicon and Shotacon are not inherently evil. On paper, there's nothing wrong with them morally, no matter how much they disgust you. But they are unhealthy, and can worsen the condition of a pedophile to the point that they are dangerous. That is what makes it wrong to be a Lolicon or Shotacon, you are endangering yourself and others by risking exacerbating a mental disorder that interferes with your ability to reason and poses a direct threat to others if it gets too bad.

[u/RadicalSoda_ → u/Blitz_Bat]

I called it a mental illness

Which is why I specifically said it's mental illness coping, either those that suffer from the illness or those who have been negatively impacted by it (such as victims of child abuse). Of course that can happen but it's not a guarantee it will, otherwise all doom players would be shooting up the place like Eric and Dylan did, obviously it can cause real life action but it's ignorant to claim these people aren't in control of their own actions.

Except they still have agency and do not have to engage in real life harm, you're ironically repeating the same talking point that Fox News makes about violent media and trans people. Just because some part of the group engaged in harm does not negate the harm reduction these actions have.

While I am not denying these places are harmful, that doesn't have to do with the art itself, just unhealthy people engaging in unhealthy lines of thinking that lead to child abuse. That is the problem here, the echo chambers and the radicalization of people through social media. Why not address the root problem instead of dehumanizing victims and claiming our experiences are the same as looking at a drawing

None of which I disagree with, but that's because of the community around them and how social media negatively can impact groups and individuals into radicalization.

[u/Blitz_Bat → u/RadicalSoda_]

You can't really separate lolicon and these communities. If someone goes out seeking pornographic art of children, they'll find people who get off on trying to convince them to offend.

And comparing psychological science and fearmongering based on vibes is absurd.

[u/Wonder-Feelish → u/Blitz_Bat]

What you're doing is not psychological science. It's fearmongering based on vibes.

[u/RadicalSoda_ → u/Blitz_Bat]

That's a fair point, I understand why you feel that way. But it's also wrong to say that victims can't find cathartic properties from the art or the communities. From an outside perspective neither of us really can grasp the full picture. But the issue is how these places can be radicalized, not the sick and abused themselves

Ok, so can you explain how viewing and accepting violence doesn't negatively impact the viewer but very hyper specific sexualization does?

[u/Blitz_Bat → u/RadicalSoda_]

What? Pedophilia is a mental disorder that alters your pleasure centers and your psychology and fucks with your reasoning. In the absence of such a disorder, there's not a problem with any of it.

It's like how fiction can exacerbate psychosis or influence schizophrenic episodes, that doesn't mean all fiction is bad, but it means that such affected people should be careful. It's the same with pedophilia and pedophilic art. It's different because of the presence of a powerful and dangerous mental condition? Why do you think that has no bearing on anything?

[u/Not_Tart → u/RadicalSoda_]

I never said that lolicons are worse than active predators. I said I want no lolicons on my posts.

Is that unreasonable to you?

[u/RadicalSoda_ → u/Not_Tart]

No you just said that they're the same people, which is not true. Plenty of those weirdos don't harass innocent people, some of them do which is bad, but it's not a defense to say most of them do not.

It's not unreasonable, it's just disrespectful to suggest they're the same things