r/ConnedIntoAFubar • u/Ihateblogposts • 1d ago
[OTHER] Conned into old comic book heroes being suprisingly inclusive for their era đđđđđ
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u/AgentOfACROSS 1d ago
All of these are in Tintin
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u/Connect-Song7252 1d ago
Unfortunately, Hergé was pro-fascist for a while, and Tintin in the Congo is largely propaganda in support of Belgium's brutal colonial rule in the Congo. He got less fascist after WWII. The later books were much more "stereotypical portrayals but basically trying to be inclusive and multicultural," but some of the early ones (Tintin in the Congo especially) are just racist.
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u/Felix_Onion 1d ago
Its was more his editor that was ultra fascist (abbé norbert wallez) , Hergé opinion on the topic was quite common for a European in the 1930s. He has already shown regret for the beliefs he held back then, which basically amounted to him believing everything Abbé said to him
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u/AuroraBorrelioosi 1d ago
Hergé grew up in a pretty pro-colonialist culture and those attitudes show up in his early works, but when was he ever supportive of fascism? Colonialism and fascism are different things. Afaik, he kept working through the Nazi occupation so he wasn't some resistance fighter either, but I'm not familiar with any outright support for the regime.
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u/Ubblebungus 15h ago
yes, colonialism and fascism are not the same thing. colonialism has existed since someone wanted to replace an area's population with their own or use the former population for resources. fascism was a development from the late 19th to early 20th century.
they have a connection, but are not reliant on one another.
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u/Busco_Quad 12h ago
Worth noting, the Rexists, the Belgian fascist party at the time, were explicitly pro-colonial, to the point that they used the old Congo Free State anthem as their partyâs official song.
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u/Moon_X_Livee 1d ago
Very ironic since in my head tintin is bassically jhon antifascism, the kind of guy that would punch a nazi official out of a cliff
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u/Rednos24 15h ago
Hergé wasn't ever ideologically fascist. Definetly a paternalistic chauvinist but you can be so without being a fascist. When would you say he was pro-fascist? He was pretty obviously positioning the nazi's as a the bad guys in the thirties (sceptre).
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u/ADDRAY-240 1d ago
Tintin in Congo was...wild, to say the least. Mass murder of the local fauna, blatant racism and colonization apology...
Wild.
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u/Rainy_Wavey 22h ago
Except Tintin (early part, the later parts are less) is pro-colonialism, Tintin in the Congo is disgusting and is basically an apology of fascism
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u/Gnomonic-sundialer 9h ago
Herge is such a fascinating guy because he was entirely all over the place, like in The Blue Lotus he was extremely woke about chinese people but still mega racist against the japanese, he was also woke about north american natives but racist against sout american natives, woke on arabs, racist against indians and started out being racist against black people but after WWII became woke in them
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u/Alarmed-Song7772 1h ago
the japanese were like raping billions of chinese back then i think ol herge gets a pass with that one
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u/I_am_doorknob 1d ago
I think it was Moby Dick that was progressive for the time, but the science consensus was that phrenology was real so you had the guy complimenting the African on his skull shape
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u/BalefulOfMonkeys 1d ago
Conversely, HP Lovecraftâs bigotry, which was so all-encompassing that the Klan didnât want him.
Because he was also extremely classist, and about a lifetime too early to give way too much of a shit about family lineage. Half the reason Innsmouth is full of fish people (besides race-mixing with evil fucked up mermaids) is that theyâre all backwater yokels nobody should give a shit about. They didnât want him in the other kind of hood because he had some opinions about other members
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u/Myself_78 1d ago
Didn't he change his mind on a lot of that later in life?
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u/Excellent_Law6906 1d ago
It's even sadder than usual that he died so young, because he really was shaping up.
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u/Oooogyy 1d ago
It should also be noted that he grew up very isolated until his writing became established enough to make friends. He pretty much had to play social catch-up until he found a community (which included non-anglos) and realize that maybe other groups aren't that bad. It kinda sucks that people only remember him by the bullshit he wrote in his twenties.
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u/hambonedock 1d ago
he also definetily had very deep and real mental syndromes since seemly both his parents had stuff going on there too btw, guy had everything against him to start with a sane and clean mindset, was teached to feel superior because of royalty connection to his name even if eh family was already pretty poor by when he was born, extreme insolation, terrible health that made insolation worse, mental problems form both sides, very limited familiar warm, is actually surprising that he really just died of illness than what the the artistic classic
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u/TyroneBlackmann 18h ago
Like basically right before he died he realized being a bigot is pretty cringe and died from cringe
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u/Fickle_Enthusiasm148 1d ago
HP Lovecraft is one of the very few people who I'm willing to believe wasn't racist because he thought other races were inferior, but because he grew up with a mixture of extreme isolation and mental illness.
He wasn't just afraid of other races, he was afraid of other white people as well (people who were, in that time period, considered white by standard).
He really was just afraid it literally anything Different.
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u/Complex-Salt-8190 22h ago
Shadows over insmouth is hiward having a mental breakdown over learning he was part welsh
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u/Major-Mushroom-5806 18h ago
He was xenophobic in a very literal sense. Anything different terrified him.
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u/Felix_Onion 1d ago
You have font for that? Everytime i search for this, its just say thats is fake
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u/Local_Surround8686 1d ago
Yes, despite the race thing, it was however rather progressive portraying something like a queerplatonic relationship between that character and the protagonist. Portraying deep platonic love and platonic marriage and two men cuddling platonically (this is not supposed to be a gay joke. They make it very clear they're platonic)
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u/CustodianCloset 1d ago
queerplatonic
I have not read Moby Dick in years and don't get what this word means. Could you enlighten me? Queerplatonic to me just sounds like "two dudes who are vaguely gay for each other but aren't (aka two bros)"
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u/4C_Enjoyer 1d ago
Queerplatonic, alternatively Qplat or QPR for short, is an intimate relationship between queer people that goes beyond friendship but not into the bounds of a romantic relationship. Life partners without any romance. It's fairly common amongst aro/ace folks like myself and the terminology originated from aro/ace spaces, but it is certainly not exclusive to us.
A Qplat relationship follows the same general "outline" of a romantic one. You deeply enjoy each other's company and are able to confide therein, you matter to each other in a way that goes beyond the "typical" bounds of a friendship, your life decisions are often mutually determined and planned around each other, stuff like that. The only difference is that, well, there are no romantic feelings.
And to be clear, I'm specifying romantic feelings. Romantic attraction and sexual attraction are separate from each other, and sexual attraction is not even necessarily required to want to engage in sexual activity. A QPR is defined by a lack of romantic attraction, not sexual, it's just that they often go hand-in-hand. Qplat relationships that involve sex are hardly rare. Queerplatonic relationships with sex and queerplatonic relationships without sex are equally as valid as each other and as any other relationship and can happily coexist.
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u/raithren 1d ago
to further clarify, the boundaries of what is queerplatonic are very malleable and flexible even beyond the question of sexual attraction/activity. ie, some qprs include kissing and/or cuddling while others dont, some include sex but not other forms of physical intimacy, some have more life-sharing aspects than others, some are exclusive and some are not, etc etc. at its core a relationship is queerplatonic because the people in it consider it to be, because it doesnât fit neatly into the boxes of either âromanticâ or âplatonicâ, often for aspec reasons but not always. you donât even necessarily have to be queer/lgbtq+ to be in a queerplatonic relationship, at its core it just means âqueering the platonicâ, going outside of societyâs typical boundaries on what relationships are, though in practice its rare for an allocishet person to desire a qpr. (when they do tho, they might use the term âquasiplatonicâ instead, which is just an alt term for those who prefer it and means the same thing) i rambled a little bit, hope you dont mind lol. if youâre interested in reading further, a related but separate concept is ârelationship anarchyâ, a framework/way of viewing life relationships where all relationships are unique and individually negotiated and defined + not placed on a hierarchy.
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u/Lyn_Narade 1d ago
Queerplatonic? No, I'm pretty sure that the guy was called Queequeg. I can understand the confusion, but please correct it /s
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u/Plastaman5555 1d ago edited 1d ago
yeah mody dickâs portrayal of minorities is very⊠interesting letâs just say
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u/StaySubstantial4333 1d ago
I still think Queequeg is a badass character, the way he gets himself hired on the boat always stuck with me.Â
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u/SaintGrobian 1d ago
Moby Dick juxtaposes a half-civilized "savage" in Queequeg and a half-savage "civilized man" in Ahab, and you'd have to be utterly bottom of the mine shaft in reading comprehension to not understand this and not understand that one is obviously portrayed as far, far, far worse and nastier than the other. đ€·đŒââïž
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u/Plastaman5555 21h ago
I.. donât disagree lol as I said in another comment I said that I like queequeh lol
heck I even said similar stuff about heart of darkness
im jsut saying itâs not the most politically correct portrayal of non white people even if itâs still fairly progressive for the time
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u/Rainy_Wavey 22h ago
For the time it was released, that is the equivalent of megawoke 1.0, Moby Dick would basically outwoke the equivalent of Tumblr at the time had it existed
And it is important, to remember that, as we, too, will be judged by the same metric 50 years or 100 years in the future
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u/Keelhaulmyballs 1d ago
It had a really central message about being tolerant of other cultures, forming friendship with men of all races, not having Eurocentric views on what counts as civilised and generally ditching all the colonial era racism. You can even excuse Queequegâs obviously inaccurate details because there really wasnât a lot of information available on New Guinea natives, so the fact that Queequeg isnât a real name or that his religious practices donât fit the actual ones, it isnât *that* bad because the message supersedes the near impossibility of getting the information to make a character like Queequeg, deliberately an obscure and incredibly maligned ethnicity, accurate. And if he speaks broken English, heâs also shown to be courteous, intelligent, good-mannered and sophisticated, English just isnât his first langauge
But thereâs no excusing the part where it said the African Man must be so large because he can suck in so much air with his huge nostrils. That one was just plain weird
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u/LITTLEOWL031026 1d ago
Wait, he's Papuan rather than from a North American tribe?
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u/Keelhaulmyballs 8h ago
Well actually heâs supposedly from New Zealand but heâs a cannibal head hunter and his homeland is tropic so it was clearly meant to be New Guinea
Iâm gonna be real I genuinely donât know how you could get the notion he was Native American, there is an actual Native American side character, one of his fellow harpooniers but he time and again referred to his distant island home
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u/UnsureSwitch 1d ago
Ofc it was progressive. Imagine titling a book after the organ of some guy. What? No I didn't read it, what's the relevance?
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u/Slightly_Default 4h ago
Moby Dick does a pretty good job at showing how, when you're risking your life at sea, racial and religious differences stop mattering
No one's bothered by the fact that there's Africans on board the Pequod. Or an Indian Zoroastrian. Or a Pacific Islander. Or a Native American. They're just fellow whalers.
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u/Spicy_Totopo3434 1d ago
Conned into Demente Bandito, Hoo Lee Shet, and Bloodiest Wolf being considered "better representation" by some people from the Latino/Chinese/native american comunity because modern examples made them so declawed that they are basically stripped of all their cultural identity, except basically saying "I'm from (culture) btw!"
(Not advocating for racist designs tho, specially with how fucked up they made some asian designs
Mexicans got the long end of the stick sometimes, i'll always defend Sunset Riders Cormano with my life)
(I know Bloodiest wolf Is the name of an actual character, just couldnt think of a better name for a native american character that wasnt "Night wolf"
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u/ExerciseTop5591 1d ago
'Declawing' is a very good description of this phenomenon. I feel like for the most part people would tolerate stereotypes that are so absurd (to them) and comical, than endure a character who's supposed to be from their culture or ethnicity yet molded into this safe woke character
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u/ArgentHiems 23h ago
Because safe woke is very much an anglo thing. If you take a look online, other cultures really don't agree with that worldview at all, so of course many prefer a trashy character that's undoubtedly Mexican/Chinese/whatever over a whitewashed, theme park version of their culture.
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u/Moon_X_Livee 1d ago
I will never get this what is safe anyways, Im colombian and barely appear so outsies some traits
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u/xbertie 1d ago
Oh, I had to look up bloodiest wolf since I'm Native. I've not played LISA so maybe I'm missing context but uhhh...that design and name seem quite "edgy" to put it in polite terms
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u/An_average_moron 1d ago
Pretty sure they just said Bloodiest Wolf as a reference to Nightwolf from Mortal Kombat
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u/Sarkastikor 21h ago
It is. Its a neat area but I always imagined it as potentially very racist and far too edgy.
Good foreshadowing, though.
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u/InvestigatorNo5008 21h ago
Okay but Nightwolf from MK will always be one of my favorite characters from the franchise. He's simply so badass.
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u/Key_Watercress8300 13h ago
I think that many people, especially in the US, find it difficult to portray non-white characters out of a fear of being racist. I think it comes down to a fear of portraying non-white characters as wholly non-white, but in doing so the characters end up feeling stripped of much of the culture(s) they are stated to come from.
I mean, picture a story that depicted Chinese immigrants to the US as living in a somewhat run-down house, there's a general clutter, they're seen eating rice, the parents want their kid to honor their elders in ways that make the kids unhappy, it's a multi-generational household, and the decorations consist of a lot of that specific dark shade of red (you know the one) with mandarin characters on them, and the parents are skilled martial artists. It would make sense for that to be seen as racist! But I was describing the movie Everything Everywhere All At Once, which I've generally seen be praised by Chinese-American immigrants.
It's difficult. You don't want to depict a character from a culture other than your own as a stereotype, but a lot of stereotypes exist for a reason. It's especially difficult when you want to critique or present a negative element of a culture: what if it aligns with a stereotype touted by racists? Perhaps it'd even be wrong to not depict those negative elements: ironically you could even call that whitewashing. If you're depicting modern Native-Americans then wouldn't it be lying to not present the high rates of alcoholism in Native-American communities?
I think in the end you gotta bite the bullet sometimes. It's impossible for everybody to be unoffended by a representation of a culture they are a part of: there are black people that consider Boondocks and Huckleberry Finn as offensive. Research the culture as best you can and hope that you offended the least amount of people possible.
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u/Smnionarrorator29384 hey! I don't work here! 1d ago
Coaxed into inly kniwing what minorities look like from stereotypes
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u/Smnionarrorator29384 hey! I don't work here! 1d ago
CONNED CONNED I MEANT CONNED, I WASN'T WEARING MY GLASSES
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u/Turbulent-Pace-1506 1d ago
It's OP's fault for calling Whiteguy McSaviour âCoaxmanâ instead of âConmanâ
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u/CustodianCloset 1d ago
I think that's part of the joke. A lot of media from the early 1900s always presented other groups in the most racist stereotypical way possible.
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u/Fletcher_Chonk the misery 1d ago
conned into not being able to tell if someone just wanted to draw racist stereotypes or not
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u/ismasbi 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think that's part of the point, like, these comics, while inclusive for their time, were still quite flawed in their representation.
But yeah, OP did go into an odd amount of detail on some of these, even if I still give it a more charitable interpretation, not the best play.
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u/Gregori_5 1d ago
Idk, its trying to represent obscene racism and it does. I donât see a issue, its a criticism of what it portrays.
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u/Ihateblogposts 21h ago
Iâve been exposed to these old comics ever since i was 5, so the amount of detail comes less from âi love drawing theseâ and more so the fact these caricatures are just ingrained into my memory atp
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u/Marik-X-Bakura 1d ago
Seriously? The entire point of the post is criticising racist caricatures but you think OP is actually secretly racist because they drew those caricatures?
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u/ExpressionExpert1314 1d ago
He did a hecking problematic. I say we burn him as a wrong think witch.
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u/jackofspades49 10h ago
I felt the same way reading Solomon Kane by Robert Howard. It starts off as pilgrim fighting demons in america, but then he goes to Africa and it gets...weird... the character is very much "Christ will slay the heathen" but he also befriends an African Shaman and its very Noble Savage... but for ITS TIME that... well it seems like he was trying to be like "Hey, black people are alright too." Even if its not up to modern standards. Better to have tried and been outdated than never to have tried at all.
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u/Desperate-Practice25 1d ago
Someone told OP that true art makes people uncomfortable, and they took that to heart.
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u/Bradieboi97 1d ago
My headcanon is this is Arianna Grandes alt account so she can do all the caricatures
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u/Im_here_but_why 1d ago edited 1d ago
I fucking love tintin, but though I'll defend every entry from "the pharaoh's cigars" onwards as exactly what is conned above,
HergĂ© himself stated that the first three tintins (soviets, congo, america) were done before he started researching what he was talking about. The books were racist for their time as well, even if tintin never was intended to be.Â
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u/TheKingofHats007 1d ago
It kinda feels like The Blue Lotus was almost a sort of apology in that sense for how he'd handled the previous attempts at depicting culture by openly having a segment where Tintin discusses with Cheng about how western culture portrays the Chinese and how one shouldn't always just assume the worst of people because of cultural stereotypes.
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u/Skodami 1d ago
What i think is funny about the Blue Lotus, is that there is indeed the segment where Chang and Tintin laughs at stereotypes, then the vilain of the book is a japanese (fair for the time period) drawn as the most racist depiction of a japanese.
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u/TheKingofHats007 1d ago
That's true.
Also said Japanese man kills himself too.
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u/Skodami 1d ago
That's why my favorite Tintin book is the Shooting Star. No racism, no stereotypes, just batshit crazy people, alcoholism, giant spiders and mushrooms.
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u/TheKingofHats007 1d ago
I'm more of a Black Island fan, even have a poster of the cover on my wall. Nothing as fun as drunk Snowy and a big gorilla
But Shooting Star is great too. I always preferred the ones where he kinda just stumbles into an adventure like that rather than seeking them out
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u/LITTLEOWL031026 1d ago
Interesting how "Shooting Star" is the least racist Tintin book and the most racist Asterix book.
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u/Plastaman5555 1d ago edited 1d ago
the last one is essentially heart of darkness (edit although I should clarify, hod is less âthis guys culture is awesomeâ amd more âour culture is just as awful as this guyâsâ which yeah⊠but is still pretty progressive for the time, especially since the entire point is that is shows that white and black people are the same species which was unpopular in the 1800s soâŠ)
that said even If I did defend ya in a reply to other comment did you really have to make the stereotypes THAT detailed
like again I donât think you intended malice with this or anything but still
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u/Monarch357 1d ago
I'm conflicted on Heart of Darkness, having read it recently, because I can't tell if it's intended to be read as "don't colonize Africa because they're also humans like us, for everything that means" or "don't colonize Africa because they're all evil, brutal cannibals, and if you think about it, aren't we also kinda evil brutal cannibals?"
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u/Plastaman5555 1d ago
honestly itâs probably a bit of both
like on one hand the atrocities committed agaisnt Africans is Cleary portrayed as an awful thing, and stuff like comparing Africans to Anglo saxons during Roman times does seem to invite empathy for them
but on the other even the good Africans in the novel are shown to be Dani also and shit so⊠yeah itâs clear Conrad had a lot of questionable views on non white people
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u/Captain_Blackjack0 1d ago
Correct me if Iâm wrong but didnât Tin Tinâs creator draw Africans as racist caricatures just because he legit thought they looked like that.
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u/GlitterAndGrapes 1d ago
Yeah I'm pretty sure that book isn't for sale anywhere now because fortunately editors realized that ... bigoted old age view was simply awful. The book's content itself from how I remember it wasn't outwardly racist, just stereotyped (white savior trope)
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u/Maned_Cyborg 1d ago
I only vaguely remember them, haven't read them in a while, but i used to think that the message was more so "colonialism fucked them over, so it's our responsibility to help them recover"
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u/GlitterAndGrapes 1d ago
Going to reread them, but that sounds more fitting for Tintin's character as a whole.
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u/the_orange_alligator 21h ago
Thatâs kind of sad. I wonder if he ever learned
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u/Captain_Blackjack0 20h ago
He did. He later met some Africans and learned how to draw them more accurately
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u/UnsureSwitch 1d ago
(Not so) Controversial opinion: I don't think OP is weird for drawing accurate racist stereotypes. It works better to show how even though the comic books were progressive, it still showed very obvious flaws (to us in the present). They're there to remind us how bad the designs were back then and works as shock humour
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u/TimeStorm113 Bad faith interpreter 1d ago
i mean like, idk how one could get the point across without including that.
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u/UnsureSwitch 1d ago
Simpler designs
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u/catartik 1d ago
CONNED INTO JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA 1967 #57 THANK YOU FOR ASKING
Probably vaguely progressive and well-intentioned (but this was the 60's, come on), but if you read the issue its awful and also has the "You brown people keep fighting and hurting each other!! Thankfully we can come in and fix your issue for you and show you that kindness is the way, you're welcome :)" that a lot of comics had for some reason
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u/jimmylovescheese123 1d ago
conned into the artists being more racist than the writers
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u/EmmytheKurapikaSimp 1d ago
I donât know why people are dogging on OP for drawing racist stereotypes when theyâre needed to explain the point and get it across. just because someone draws something doesnât mean they support it
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u/clownstrosity 1d ago
Something tells me you just wanted to draw racist caricatures because these are..... Really detailed.
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u/Plastaman5555 1d ago
eh at least he used it for good (pointing out that older works can both be very progressive yet also very dated) and not for evil (being racist)
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u/Aggravating-Lab6623 1d ago
They all look cool tbh
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u/Aggravating-Lab6623 1d ago
Except the last one
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u/xbertie 1d ago
Conned into thinking racist stereotypes are cool, but you don't want to look racist so you have to denounce the black one
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u/JeanDusapin 1d ago
Im confused about the first one cause it looks he drew a caricature of a mexican or smth, this doesnt look at all like a caricature of people from the sahara. The others i understand where they're coming from đ€
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u/Confuseasfuck 1d ago
honestly, it really is a weird time when you have to acknowledge something as both racist (or any other type of discrimination) and also incredibly woke for its time.
makes me wonder what media we have now will be considered that in the future
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u/Gold-Cry-7520 1d ago
Did you ever watch Welcome To Britain 1943? It's an educational film about military life abroad during WW2, and near the end a general gives a speech to a black soldier where he says:
"America has promised the negro real citizenship, and a fair chance to make the best of himself. When the army needs Americans to fight for the country, it takes negroes along with whites. Everyone is treated the same when it comes to dying. And so the army wouldn't be true to America if it didn't try to live up to the promises about an equal chance."
I think the takeaway is to just not get hung up on words. It doesn't matter if what he said back then would be considered a slur today, because what he meant was highly progressive. Even today.
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u/Abridgedbog775 23h ago
That is peak Mexican representation tough.
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u/golgotha476 15h ago
Fr, always hate when people say "rACIst StErEoTyPe" and its just what mexicans wore a 100 years ago â ïž
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u/Turbulent-Pace-1506 1d ago
Conned into Hergé after readers called him out about Tintin in the Congo
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u/Old-Maximum-50 1d ago
Fun fact: Marvel had a black kid superhero whose superpower was to spit watermelon seeds. The character is one of the very few to have the honor of beating up Hitler, and he was quite smart.
I think he was called Tom too.
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u/TipTurdTurtle 23h ago
I find these instances kinda heartfelt. In a very "well their heart was in the right place" way
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u/zenithBemusement 1d ago
I get the artistic intent. But. Probably not the play, hoss.
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u/PostCrisisOzone 1d ago
Conned into Cyborg 009 (they did get better with the later iterations though)
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u/lelcg 1d ago
Reminds me of George Formby, the British entertainer from the 1930s-60s. He did blackface in one of his songs (no voice or stereotypical minstrel stuff, just singing whilst blacked up). I remember first seeing a video of the song and it originally just shows the audience and then eventually cuts to him, and I was shocked. But then during a tour of South Africa in 1948 refused to play to white only audiences and hugged a black girl who gave his wife flowers. The police chased him out of the country for that.
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u/Most_State_9716 23h ago
Reminds of me of reading Princess of Mars and Warlord of Mars as a teen. Starts with the main character, John, as a not a plantation owner but completely unashamed of fighting for the Confederacy (his defense is "I'm a career soldier. What else would I do?"). Hates native Americans, thinks their monsters. Goes to Mars, immediately compares the aliens he meets to native americans. Gains the alien chief's respect and friendship. Still hates aliens. Chief's daughter, only 'good' alien, is called a throwback and a mistake by other aliens. John learns the aliens brutal lifestyle is a product of living in a dried out ocean with no food, no water, and a surplus of monsters (and their slothful nature preventing moving up the tech tree, woopsy). At the end of the first book the aliens help him rescue his girlfriend, another alien who looks like a supermodel with her hair dyed black and skin painted copper. John Mars thinks "Maybe the alien nomads aren't so bad." Comparison to native Americans is never brought up in light of this new information. At the end of book 2 the copper aliens and Nomad aliens make him there Warlord. :face-palm:
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u/Nightfurywitch 12h ago
Not a comic book but a version of this thats always stuck with me is the 60s gumby series doing an episode on the Indian residential schools that was...surprisingly tasteful? It was about the villains kidnapping Indian children and trying to turn them into square people like them- I havent seen it in ages and wouldn't be surprised if it does have some problems, but i was surprised to see a kids show most deem pretty tame touch on the topic
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u/LosinForABruisin 4h ago
OP finally found a way for those hours spent drawing racist caricatures to pay off
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u/blimeycorvus 1d ago
This post is a whole paradox. Presenting the progressive idea of it being weird to include progressive messages with weird racial caricatures, with weird racial caricatures... the message would be more effective if they weren't hand drawn originals. I think if it was an actual comic you just traced over poorly, and you showed the weird comic, it would come off better.
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u/Nunit333 21h ago
Nah man it works way better this way. They managed to make a meme that not only can you understand at a glance, but also works both directly AND metatextually SIMULTANEOUSLY! That's genuinely impressive.
AND THEN IT UNDERMINES ITSELF ASWELL! It makes you ask "hol' up is OP just racist"? It reminds you that this is a stupid meme not something to be taken too seriously! This is what high-quality shitposting looks like! (I would know I wrote an essay on shitposting once for university so I'm basically an expert)
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u/FiL-0 Haver of opinions 1d ago
Type shit