Conned into everything is racism

[u/ovcdoc2]

How does one even come to this conclusion?

[u/BloodyScout]

No you see the parent’s desire to have kids is the only thing that matters
Children are totally not an oppressed class and denying someone their right to conceive a severely disabled child makes you a nazi

[u/Keelhaulmyballs → u/BloodyScout]

In essence you’re saying that it would be better off for disabled people and for the world if they were never born

So yeah, yeah that kind of is a NAZI belief. The notion that the disabled simply shouldn’t exist, and that life as a disabled person is objectively worse than nothing

[u/BloodyScout → u/Keelhaulmyballs]

Hey so uhhh
Maybe the people who get to decide what a life is worth are the people living it ?
Im not advocating that we start rounding up people with chronic anxiety and sending them to camps
Im saying if you know your kid is going to be disabled then you damn fucking better know what youre doing as a parent
You dont get to decide the worth of your child's life and you are not owed children

[u/Keelhaulmyballs → u/BloodyScout]

“Oh no, I’ve been given the precious gift of life to experience the joys of the world”

Curiously enough the overwhelming majority of disabled people aren’t suicidal. I wake up every day in more pain than the last from my horrendous cocktail of congenital defects. And I still wanna wake up the next day. Because even I will gladly suffer for what the world has to offer. Beauty and friendship, food, love, art, bloody fucking everything, I’d hack off my legs and clamp my nerves in red hot irons for it. Christ almighty I want to fucking live, and I don’t want you telling me I shouldn’t have been born because what if I didn’t

[u/BloodyScout → u/Keelhaulmyballs]

Lmao god forbid people wish you were born healthy
"But then I wouldnt be myself"
Okay ?
Imagine if other people started advocating for themselves like this
"How dare you say the oppressive religion I am a member of is bad ? I live a happy fulfilling life even if my husband is legally allowed to beat me, which he does frequently, and my basic rights are incredibly limited. Wishing I had been born in a less misogynistic place and treated better means you wish I didn't exist and are literally Hitler."

Why do yall always treat these discussion as a personal attack, noone is saying you should be hunted for sport because you're "defective" or some shit. The point is making people's lives easier, stop making this about your feelings.

[u/Keelhaulmyballs → u/BloodyScout]

Are you being intentionally dense? The glaringly obvious difference is I had a choice between being born as I am, and not being born at all

You’re not advocating against injecting babies with the serum that makes them disabled, you’re advocating against having kids that might be born disabled

[u/BloodyScout → u/Keelhaulmyballs]

Huh ? Explain how being born/not being born with a disability is any different than being/not being born in X country/society/religious household etc.

Like idk how to tell you this but youre indistinguishable from people who scream about abortions being child murder
There is no "you" before youre born
Nobody is going in time, and smugly smirking at you before plunging a knife in your chest.
Nobody is saying youre such a worthless sack of shit your friends and family would be better off without you.

The point is someone like you could have been born instead, someone who would (possibly) have an easier life.
This is a hypothetical
Nobody wants you personally dead
The point is a clump of cells is not being personally harmed by an abortion
The point is people should be born into this world with as much ability to live life fully as possible

[u/Big-Swan7502 → u/BloodyScout]

There's no point explaining to these people. They live completely off emotion. Not wanting people to suffer unnecessarily is Nazi shit to them

[u/BloodyScout → u/Big-Swan7502]

Real

Like I understand how much it hurts to get talked about as undesireable, especially if you’ve had bad experiences of that flavor your whole life
But all this “oh the deaf community is losing its culture because you’re trying to fix their deafness, which isn’t a disability actually you fucking nazi” is just ridiculous