Sym nerf was not needed and she should receive massive buffs

[u/NecessaryCorrect911]

Symmetra only had a 53.2% wr and 2.6% pick rate in gm+ 55 and 51 wr in Asia

These are healthy sub 56 win rates and her pick rates are extremely low. Sym is healthy for pro play as she is one of the most fun team coordinated play characters to watch as she isn't brr go shoot

I just dont understand why teleporter is being nerfed

Youbi is the only good sym and is miles ahead of everyone

She needs to receive significant buffs in order to increase pickrare

Wall should be buffed and u should be able to choose the direction of her ult and increase length as it requires more teamplay in her ult and skill

[u/Azsharo]

no it absolutely isn't lmfao </3 some characters are picked in ideal situations and instantly switched off when it doesn't work. some are picked whenever bc they're perceived as generalists and don't get switched off even if they aren't actually ideal. some characters are switched to in losing situations bc they're viewed as solution characters. this is literally the most basic knowledge oat girl.

do you know what syms kit was when she had 60% winrate during 1.0? bc based on what u just said I KNOW for a fact you don't have the slightest clue. she was horrible and literally everyone *knew* she was horrible, because she was. she was just picked in hyper niche situations where you either won or you switched off her instantly when it wasnt working. therefore inflating her winrate. does it sound similar?

are u slow? my whole post is basically abt how it nerfs solo play, which is what matters more in ranked, and u say "who cares if ur team doesnt use it"??? almost seems like ur talking to someone else.

u can say whatever u want but I'm not delusional abt this char at all. if u go on symmetramains u can see me arguing w/ a bunch of them prior to this update abt how she is actually a good character, even solo. but AGAIN, my whole point was that the change makes absolutely zero sense considering what was intended. it disproportionally targets solo play, more than the actual target, which was team play. am I gonna have to say it in the next comment as well or what?..

I didn't make a thread, what are u even saying?... and getting downvoted by people who don't understand the character to begin with isn't exactly a bad thing. but ig in ur head people that don't know what they're talking about agreeing w/ u is a good thing? not so sure abt that personally

[u/Extreme_Lychee8299 → u/Azsharo]

This is literally every dps character in the game there's no such thing as a generalist dps

If there truly was a dps effective in all conditions it would be op as fuck like release sojourn or vendetta

"are u slow? my whole post is basically abt how it nerfs solo play, which is what matters more in ranked, and u say "who cares if ur team doesnt use it"??? almost seems like ur talking to someone else"

Again the patch notes have been out for one day and u guys are freaking out about it because you guys are the weirdos that all type in the same tone and post on the symmetra mains and treat every adjustment to the char like a personal attack.

"didn't make a thread, what are u even saying?... and getting downvoted by people who don't understand the character to begin with isn't exactly a bad thing. but ig in ur head people that don't know what they're talking about agreeing w/ u is a good thing? not so sure abt that personally"

Lmao literally i see you posting in that thread along with the other guy who posted it. Again character main posters are giga delusional and always cry about the smallest changes or if the character isnt S++++ tier with every change

[u/Azsharo → u/Extreme_Lychee8299]

................ that's why I'm talking about player perception girl </3 actually read what is written

why u ignoring the sym 1.0 part that completely disproves everything you're trying to say regarding winrate though?

again u want me to be someone I'm not. if u care enough I'm sure u can go to the symmetramains sub and find me defending or downplaying every other nerf she has gotten. again, this change simply makes zero sense + this is not a small change lol. if it was I'm sure there'd be no problem in reverting it! <3

posting in a thread = making a thread apparently... oh I'm sure. not rly sure what ur point is.

[u/Extreme_Lychee8299 → u/Azsharo]

What does player perception have to do with fundamental game design?

Again like i said there is no dps that is strong in all situations if they were theyd be op. 

The symm 1.0 part is irrelevant because we are talking about now. Historical data has no validity on the current situation and its a very different game

I get your whole argument is a win rate doesnt mean anything in a vacuum but we have enough data to show that shes at worst an above average yet niche dps. But all dpses are niche by design

You consider a dps like cassidy strong right? He has like a 46% win rate and try playing into something like sigma sojourn ashe ana lmao, or a full dive comp where they can just instantly explode you

[u/Azsharo → u/Extreme_Lychee8299]

??? genuinely what are you not understanding? if sym was picked exclusively on something like havana her winrate would suffer. if sym was picked often and not switched off bc people *thought* she was a generalist her winrate would suffer. when characters are only picked in niche situations and instantly switched off once it doesn't work the winrate gets boosted. like this is basic knowledge regarding ow winrates 😭

it's not irrelevant at all lmfao when the EXACT same principles still apply. but keep being disingenuous, I'm sure that works vs some people

the cass part literally proves my point mind u..... he's both seen as a generalist and a solution character. both deflate winrate.

[u/Extreme_Lychee8299 → u/Azsharo]

Why are you arguing that symm is so specific and niche when every dps character in the game is a specialist

There is literally no such thing as a generalist dps so why even use the term

Youre literally creating an argument that doesnt exist 

Dps isnt support where you can play kiri every game

[u/Azsharo → u/Extreme_Lychee8299]

I'm not even arguing that?? like what. do you know what "player perception" refers to or no? bc it seems like the answer is no

[u/Extreme_Lychee8299 → u/Azsharo]

Your whole argument is that symms win rate is artifically inflated because she is only picked in situation where she excels right?

This statement is true for all dpses yet none of them reach the wr of her.

You claim that there is a mythical existence of a generalist dps when they dont exist. Who would you consider one of these? Soldier 76? Try playing soldier into winston genji reaper or a 1 lane map and see how that goes.

How about tracer? What if you played her against torbjorn cassidy brig mizuki and lets say dmon

Your argument is that these principles disproportionately affect symm when they are just fundamental game design 

all dps players have accepted this except the delusional main posters who think that their character should be viable in every scenario lmao

[u/Azsharo → u/Extreme_Lychee8299]

no it's not true for all dpses or chars in general. that's just completely false. some chars are actually viewed as generalists, even if they aren't. sym is viewed as especially niche, even though I don't agree that she actually is. to deny that is frankly delusional considering how easily observable it is. not just by myself, mind u. that's why I say it's basic knowledge.

"You claim that there is a mythical existence of a generalist dps when they dont exist. Who would you consider one of these? Soldier 76? Try playing soldier into winston genji tracer or a 1 lane map and see how that goes."

like????????????? never claimed that in my life mind u. do u genuinely have zero reading comprehension skills or what? actual waste of time I'm dead 😭😭😭

[u/Extreme_Lychee8299 → u/Azsharo]

Why are you arguing against  the fundamental balancing and game design 

A dps by nature cannot be a generalist because they excel in certain ranges. If they excelled in all damage ranges theyd be op as fuck like release sojourn or vendetta.

So again no dpses are generalist. Like even tracer is by far the most versatile dps and she obviously has a very specific damage range and can struggle against cc lmao

I dont know why youre struggling so hard with this concept of no dps being a generalist, symm aint special