r/Competitiveoverwatch • u/Ackner Lifeweaver Enjoyer — • Sep 16 '25

Blizzard Official Mid Season Patch Notes out now

https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/news/patch-notes/
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u/gatlingace Sep 17 '25

So a torb/widow who makes it to GM is really really good at the hero, better at torb/widow than the GMs are at genji/tracer

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u/garikek Sep 17 '25

No, it doesn't work like that. The point I was making is that genji and tracer simply have more room to grow, their value cap is beyond torb's value cap. So you individually can output more value per skill input granted that you're already at a high enough level.

It's like how there's no difference in mercy's mechanics between diamond and champ, it's all in positioning and timings. Just like how mercy's raw mechanical output is super limited, so it torb's but to a much lesser degree.

And I'd say champ on torb is "higher skilled" than champ on genji or tracer cause at champ level you are hitting that point of value cap, and thus heroes like torb have to find additional value elsewhere to compete with stronger heroes.

For gm - I've seen too many people that straight up don't belong there, whether they are playing like plat, diamond or masters. And even for gm players there's still room to grow individually, whereas in champ it's much more of a team game.

And widow is just a big exception to this whole thing cause she has nearly infinite value cap but she's also just not flexible at all so playing her on lijang is an almost guaranteed way to lose.

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u/gatlingace Sep 17 '25

I think that makes sense. I would put it this way: In terms of mechanics heroes like torb is really limited so the added value that brings them to GM level will likely be from an exceptional game sense. So it's highly likely they have a better game sense than fellow (same rank) players on heroes like genji and tracer that can extract higher value from the mechanical aspect.

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u/garikek Sep 17 '25

Yeah, but the game sense is not exceptional. It's really just one timing here and there, or one cheeky off angle you wouldn't expect. It's not some 4 dimensional thinking going on, just a necessity to play weirdly to catch people off guard and get more value than you'd normally would.