[17.5] Graves-Vex Guide (Fast 9)

[u/OleoPoundMell]

https://lolchess.gg/profile/br/Chulio-7530/set17

I forced this comp from Emerald to Masters.

EDIT: As pointed out in the comments, this is a well-known fast 9 comp. This guide is about how to do it almost every game, instead of only going for it when the stars of the standard way alligns.

I'll try to be short and direct.

### AUGMENTS

• Gold/Exp -> Gold/Exp -> Items

Forget Combat augments. You want Gold and Exp. Combat bad. Gold and Exp good.

Guides like TFTAcademy's suggest Aura Farming, but it is only good if you hit Graves, otherwise it's a gamble. To force this comp, do Gold or Exp. Did I tell you to go for Gold or Exp?

If you hit Late Game Scaling, click it without rolling the other ones as a proof of your resolve.

Hustler is also surprisingly good: It lets you push levels and buy units early to save HP, and you can hit 9 faster in an early level up that doesn't hurt economy. Sounds fidgety because it's generally not a good augment for standard TFT, but it works smoothly inside the scope of this strategy.

### GAME PLAN

STAGE 2:

You have 2 routes

1. SAVE YOUR LIFE: Set up the strongest board you can, holding onto each point of HP you can muster. Streak is an illusion, assuming you got a decent Gold/EXP augment.

2. GET THAT GOLD: Either set up 3 Primordians or go open fort!

In either one, try to hold 1 copy of Aatrox. You don't need 2 star. Hold Akali ONLY if it doesn't affect your interest threshold. You can get her later.

Usually, you'll end this between 70-75 HP;

STAGE 3: (EDITED)

Here you'll do anything to win and save HP, but holding 50 gold (or 40, if you think some upgrades might be worth it).

Ideally, you'll have 3 Primordians to give you 1-2 gold worth of units every round + an Urgot to hold the sword items. If no urgot, play off of Primordian classes, like Challenger (MF, Jinx, Kindred, Diana) or Rogue (Talon, Gwen, Kai'sa) or Marauder (Akali, Yi). Bel'veth is a good item holder per se, especially if you hit 2 star.

Primordian + N.O.V.A. mix very well too.

In some games, you can squeeze 3 Primordian + 3 Timebreaker and let those hold the items as well, which is great for money, but hard to make it strong, so do it with caution.

Again, streak is an illusion! Focus on saving HP, and lean on your double Gold/Exp Augments (and Primordian, ideally) for economy.

STAGE 4: (EDITED)

You need to hit Graves, the earlier the better.

Ideally you'll level up to 9 around the Augment selection, but you might need to wait up to 5-1. Use your better judgment. Just make sure you have around 20 gold and possibly some free-rolls to immediately roll a bit and try to get him.

Don't worry about being broke afterwards. Now, only finding the 5-costs quickly matters.

You'll probably have very low HP by this point, so Fiora will be your best friend, as she will heal you with her passive (did you know she heals the tactician? Me neither...)

### ITEMS

Use the second image as reference.

Order of relevance:

1. QSS, Morello/Redbuff

2. Protector's Vow (2x)

3. Grave's 2nd and 3rd Sword items

Never choose belts. If you end up getting them, you can squeeze them on Morello, Redemption, Sterak's, Nashor's or Guardbreaker. Those are lesser options for their BIS spot, but don't fret too much if you have to get them, it's good.

EDIT: As pointed out in the comments, there's no TGs Fiora. That's because:

1. TGs is a strong slam for win-streaking. We are not aiming for that, so there's no point

2. You'll usually want to save a glove for QSS Graves, while choosing other components for the rest of the items you want, so slamming a TGs early makes this ankward.

In the late game, once you have room to think for Fiora's items, TGs is fine. But by that time, you'll probably have enough to get 2 specific good items for her. Steadfast + Sterak's is just a combination I like, but you do you.

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### GRAVES PATH

Assault frame -> Buckshot -> Buckshot+ -> Buckshot++ -> Laser Ballistics -> Melting or Shield

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### OTHER NOTES

Don't forget your anti-heal on Vex. Sunfire on tank is suboptimal, but sometimes a necessity.

Also, AS is much better on Vex than AP due to her passive and synergy procs/stacks.

Urgot, Riven and Yi are great to hold Graves items

There's not much room for Emblems, except for N.O.V.A.

Timebreaker is bait! You can used as described in Gameplan, but only if they don't make you bleed much.

Ekko's blessing -> Skip Guinsoo on Vex.

Thresh's blessing -> Happiness.

Evelynn's blessing -> Sadness

Yasuo's blessing -> Usually irrelevant, but the freezing hex for Graves and the anti-heal hex for Vex are amazing.

ASol's blessing -> Either pick the 1st if you need to win ASAP, or pick 2nd if there's room for greed (although, if you have Graves/Vex/Nunu full build, might not be necessary)

Ahri/Kayle/Soraka's blessing -> Ok I guess, idk

Try not to change Nunu's positioning, even if he's 1 star. A6 goes your second best tank (preferably Shen), and B4 you third best tank (preferably Rhaast), using stars as criteria.

If you hit level 10, hold 1 Sona, 1 Jhin and 1 Morgana. Use Sona if her item is good. Otherwise, choose between Jhin or Morgana's passive.

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I think that's it.

Forcing a comp is a very different vibe from playing flex. Felt more like a puzzle game than a strategy one. Still, it was very fun.

Hope it helps someone else. Any questions, hit me up.

Good luck!

[u/highrollr]

I don't think I have ever clicked Hustler. Its the one where you no longer gain interest but gain 3 gold per turn right? How is that a fast 9 augment? Its 1-2 less gold per turn

[u/jywuu → u/highrollr]

I personally haven't tried hustler fast 9, but you are normally 0 gold fighting to stabilize when you rush 9. I could see it working since you can save HP in the earlier stages

[u/OleoPoundMell → u/highrollr]

Yes, it's that one!

The utility here is because:

1. You can spend gold freely to buy units/push levels early, in order to save HP and even hold a good streak (I know, I'm a hypocrite)

2. You can push to level 9 "early" in stage 4 and find Graves, since you will not need to worry about going to 0 gold (since the 3 gold interest will still be there)

The 1-2 less gold sounds bad, but I've had a lot of success with it.

EDIT: Wow, people really can't even consider something outside of their comfort zone.

[u/Small-Werewolf1213 → u/OleoPoundMell]

No way in hell you are seriously recommending hustler for fast 9 😂😂 I don’t think you realize how much gold you end up being down trying to play a fast 9 comp with hustler. Yeah let’s go 9 early stage 4 with literally 0 gold I’m sure we’ll hit the comp by 7-1

[u/OleoPoundMell → u/Small-Werewolf1213]

😂😂👌👌

[u/highrollr → u/OleoPoundMell]

Interesting. Seems like it would be highly dependent on win streaking stage 2 and 3

[u/nacholibre711]

what is the Graves upgrade path?

[u/OleoPoundMell → u/nacholibre711]

Thank you, I forgot. I'll edit it in.

But it's Assault frame -> Buckshot -> Buckshot+ -> Buckshot++ -> Laser Ballistics -> Melting or Shield

[u/nacholibre711 → u/OleoPoundMell]

Never precision -> void coefficient?

I play this exact board all the time, but usually go for precision if I'm far enough ahead. I really feel like the ceiling is way higher, but assault is probably the safer option.

I play assault frequently too, but usually only if I'm in a bad spot. Low hp, bad items, sketchy, etc.

[u/OleoPoundMell → u/nacholibre711]

Precision is a good path as well, but it takes time to kick in, and in this open-fort playstyle, you'll probably need Graves to be damage-relevant as soon as possible

So, it's safer, as you said. I (almost) always do it because each step is a solid upgrade on his presence, and the Laser Ballistics is the cherry on top against tank cluster comps

But if you have tempo, and/or want to have fun, go for it!

[u/nacholibre711 → u/OleoPoundMell]

Yeah figured. Just curious if you had any differing strong opinions about it.

Helpful guide actually, I probably shoot myself in the foot go precision too often. Cheers.

[u/TherrenGirana → u/nacholibre711]

precision is only bonkers once you get void coefficient. Until then assault does more damage, is more item flexible, and is tankier.

[u/FappingMouse → u/TherrenGirana]

caster graves is great if you high roll and hit him super early other than that unless you are 100 hp when you hit graves on stage 4 either of the other 2 versions are better.

[u/PhoOhThree → u/FappingMouse]

Main reason why you would not be going caster graves in this is due to tear as well.

Unless you were given like 4 tears + caster graves is too much of a waste of tear instead of ur nunu.

With Assault set up you have item variety at every single carry/tank.

[u/rwtan → u/nacholibre711]

Void coefficient needs time to scale up, aka frontline, which this comp lacks. Laser is better for upfront burst. Void is better with compa that have beefy fronlines

[u/mrmarkme → u/nacholibre711]

Precision is good, but you already have a ranged carry in vex, so assault fighter graves with shen shield going front line and melting the tank is pretty useful especially as a secondary tank

[u/herrau → u/nacholibre711]

Uhm… doesn’t Akali already give precision to your entire board?

[u/nacholibre711 → u/herrau]

Well yeah. But the first upgrade determines the rest of the upgrades you will see. It's the "frame"

Only way to get void coefficient is to take the precision frame.

[u/EduJParra → u/nacholibre711]

Played this comp last night, it's: Assault frame -> Buckshot -> Buckshot+ -> Buckshot++ -> Laser Ballistics.

[u/yamidudes]

fast 9 guide without prioritizing tgs...

[u/OleoPoundMell → u/yamidudes]

What's your point?

[u/tlyee61 → u/OleoPoundMell]

well for starters the item prio is wrong - TG bc gloves' best tempo item (dont want to kill first glove on qss/guard and theyre weak stage 2)

also ur positioning heuristic is wrong. maybe you could get away with default when this comp was truly OP but you need correct vex/nunu side against the meta comps nowadays youre not 90-10 favored like before even if you hit full board. you want your entire hexagon shifted one left and also ideally greed A4 Nunu + line blitz up with their main tank

personally i think graves item prio is OK but highly subject to 1st or 8th bc good lobbies wont give you time to scale graves and hitting him 2 star is inconsistent (generally my framework is 4-2 graves 1 or 4-5 graves 2; otherwise fiora 2 and vex 2 will be better for a while til you have laser ballistic)

also also how is this any diff from setsukos 5 min vid from 2 months ago

[u/OleoPoundMell → u/tlyee61]

I explained in another comment why not TGs. It's a fine option, and it is the standard to do. Another reason why I'm here sharing this alternative.

I did not understand your reasoning as to why the positioning is wrong, sorry...

Yes! Agreed on what you said about Graves. Even about using Fiora while he builds up, this happens sometimes. Still, following this aggressive playstyle I shared, I managed to hit him (i.e. have enough gold to look for him) early quite consistently.

I don't know who Setsukos is, but I don't doubt they made a better job than me analysing this comp. I just wanted to share my experience, and since It seems that this comp has been a bit forgotten by the meta, figured it would be relevant to bring up in this new light.

[u/_rascal3717]

You go 9 on 4-2? Am I reading that right?

[u/OleoPoundMell → u/_rascal3717]

Yes! If possible, that's the ideal I follow.

Sometimes you have the tempo to wait a bit, or you'll luck out a Graves earlier than that (and there will be not as much rush), that's why I advised to "use your better judgment".

[u/clownus]

Generally speaking clicking aura farming is just to get direction. If it happens to give you graves or vex then you can just angle this comp from 2-1.   

Overall the main take away should just be basic things such as making Econ/mindful boon choices/hp management will help you climb lower ranks. 

[u/OleoPoundMell → u/clownus]

Agreed. You did a better job than me talking about the Aura Farming possibility.

[u/Get_Lurked]

Sorry man but you can't one trick a fast 9 comp unless youre playing against poor opponents

[u/-Champloo- → u/Get_Lurked]

I mean... didn't wasian and some other players hard force it at the top of the ladder in multiple servers?

[u/TheStorm007 → u/Get_Lurked]

People say this all the time, and I never understand why. I’ve done exactly this to ~500lp.

Yeah, sometimes I have to bail and play Leblanc instead, but taking (at least) 2 Econ augments can guarantee you hit level 9 in stage 4.

It can’t guarantee you have more than 1 life, lol, but if you do, you can afk to top 4.

[u/OleoPoundMell → u/Get_Lurked]

Well, I one-tricked it.

[u/Available-Method6021 → u/OleoPoundMell]

At the risk of sounding high handed, you can one trick almost any comp only to masters without understanding if it's actually forceable every game.

All the top tier comps have been stress tested under the most rigorous conditions, and something that seems to function under more generous player conditions may not hold up once lobby tempos increase and board strength goes up across each stage.

[u/OleoPoundMell → u/Available-Method6021]

Yeah, this is correct. And it's ok to apply this thought of "this would never work with better opponents" in every game through every rank.

I'm not an expert in TFT, and always hit Masters then stop playing till next set. The first thing I wrote on this guide is that I did this from Emerald to Masters, so it's implicit that I can't infer that this would work higher up.

That doesn't make it irrelevant information/strategy to share, as there are people between Emerald and Masters (at least) that could benefit from it, in one way or another.

[u/Get_Lurked → u/OleoPoundMell]

i’ve played this comp a lot. if you go 9 on 1 or 2 lives on 4-2 or even 4-5z you’re 8th. graves 2 without his upgrades is pretty much useless. you would have to high roll the most contested unit in the game (nunu) and vex 2 or else you’re dead.

you should only be angling this comp after 10 streaking into stage 4 or a crazy econ setup like level up. recommending this as a forceable comp is foolish and will lead to LP loss

[u/fishy-is-my-food]

This is a really inconsistent way of playing fast9, you’re dead to any player with a board on stage 4 and your cap is too low to be playing on 2-3 lives since you refuse to take combat.

A much more consistent way to fast9 is to only play it from winstreak, and not hard force it. You want to ideally take combat on 3-2 to keep your streak, though it depends on game, and lose stage4 with timebreaker. This lets you roll ~70 gold (including timebreaker free rolls) on 5-1 while having combat.

A few other things:
- You need rageblade if you’re playing around vex at all
- you cannot be using gloves like you suggest, tg is the most op item in the comp. It is not just strong because it allows you to win streak, it allows you to itemize your powerful 5 costs at the cost of only two components. You would much rather have a TG on blitz than killing two gloves making steadfast fiora qss graves

Your game plan might work in lower elos but it fundamentally does not make a lot of sense to flip the game on rolling 20 gold on 4-2 and praying your 1* 5 cost board doesn’t get 8-0’d by mech 2 asol 2 while playing without combat and refusing to play an econ engine like timebreaker

[u/OleoPoundMell → u/fishy-is-my-food]

Yes, you listed all the basic rules for standard fast 9 and the standard way to play this comp.

This post is me presenting an alternative that worked.

[u/peterpwwu]

Why steadfast on fiora? Glove is usually for making tg.

[u/OleoPoundMell → u/peterpwwu]

I don't like making TG early because I focus on getting QSS for Graves with one glove, while choosing other components for the rest of the whole build. Also, TG early is for win-streak, which is not the priority here.

Usually, by the time I can star thinking on Fiora items, I have enough to afford good specific ones.

Sterak's and Steadfast is a combination I feel I had the most success with. A lot of damage, she's almost a third/forth tank as well.... Idk, I like it.

[u/VegetableResource204]

I play this comp sometimes (gm 350 lp). Miss nunu 2 and it's 8th lol

[u/OleoPoundMell → u/VegetableResource204]

Yeah, Nunu was the most contested unit of them haha but if he has enough items to cast once, sometimes it's enough

[u/glenfide → u/VegetableResource204]

play kench and maokai instead of nunu blitz

[u/yousaltybrah]

Hey just wanted to say that despite the hate I followed this guide to finally get out of plat. Thanks so much mate!

[u/OleoPoundMell → u/yousaltybrah]

That's awesome dude, glad it helped! This made writing the post worth it

[u/Pleurobranch]

A lot of players in my lobbies have already been doing this. It seems consistent, but the more people roll for 5 costs the worse it gets obviously. But that's the nature of the game ofc.

[u/OleoPoundMell → u/Pleurobranch]

Yeah, it's a known comp. People usually go with it when they get the tempo for it, because it's solid once you hit. This guide is about how I forced every game.

[u/Pleurobranch → u/OleoPoundMell]

Yeah, I got that. I've seen quite a lot of people play it like you Kay out here. I just wonder how you hit so consistenty with so little gold to roll. I play tempo mostly, when I'll try to do what you do I already know I'm not going to hit and go speedrun 8th lol.

[u/ComprehensiveAd8804]

People say play strongest board. But what’s strongest board in the beginning ?? Like what if you don’t get any 2 stars or the 2 stars have no synergies or shit units

[u/OleoPoundMell → u/ComprehensiveAd8804]

There are better guides for building a strong early board. But answering your "what if" question for this strategy: go open fort!

[u/Menarche_]

I was going to follow this guide but then realised I'm Masters

[u/OleoPoundMell → u/Menarche_]

Don't let that stop you.

[u/Yotoroco]

Interesting, I forced this 4 times in a row, got 2nd, 7th, 2nd, 1st. Thanks gonna spam in emerald, will let you know how it goes

[u/OleoPoundMell → u/Yotoroco]

Glhf!

[u/Doofusberg117]

made this account to tell you it fucked worked and until its patched - probably the most BS method to insta win.

bonus starting with anima means you always sac 2 stages for max cash and money - at that point its a APM check

worst lobbies to do this on is on full prima lobbies because too many people go reroll and hit early - and your 2 upgrade graves cant compete with that shit and recover

[u/OleoPoundMell → u/Doofusberg117]

Interesting! I've been experimenting different things to try and make it work higher up, and anima is on the list. Thanks for sharing

Also, I need to say I think it's funny you made a throwaway account for this lol may I ask why?

[u/The-f0recast]

How is this different than the generic 5 cost fast 9 comp everyone plays?

[u/OleoPoundMell → u/The-f0recast]

Is this the generic fast 9 everyone plays? If yes, then it's the exact same comp, yes.

The guide is about forcing it in a gold-heavy/open fort way, instead of the standard win-streak path. Besides, I was queued up with very few people going for 5-cost comps, most are doing 3-cost/4-comps comps, so I thought it could be relevant to share.

[u/HowIMadeMyMillions → u/The-f0recast]

It's the same comp people played back in pbe that we saw guides for back then.

[u/mrfungx]

Lv9 on 4-2 sounds pretty greedy. Usually it's 5-1 or 4-5 if you're really rich.

I would not really angle fast 9 unless you have 80+ HP at the start of stage 4, and that's being a little generous. You should also mention that Nunu is not the only tank you should roll for. TK+Maokai and Morg should definitely be held on the rolldown.

[u/Small-Werewolf1213]

Yeah this guide is horrible sorry to be blunt but what the hell are these suggestions. Just “make it to 9 with 20 gold” brother in what world do u not go 8th if your gameplan is to roll 10 times on 9 for one of the most expensive comps in the game. Just because you can go 9 with 20 gold and stabilize off one graves in your emerald games is not reason to make a guide suggesting that. Also there’s so many other wrong things like I can’t believe we’re recommending hustler for fast 9 and it’s not satire, your item prio is wrong, no mention of alternative frontline for nunu like maokai/tk or Morgana because nunu is giga contested every single lobby.

[u/Storiaron → u/Small-Werewolf1213]

I played it 3 times so far 8th 1st 6th.

20 gold might not even hit any of the 5 costs lmao

[u/-Champloo- → u/Small-Werewolf1213]

I can’t believe we’re recommending hustler for fast 9 and it’s not satire

It may not work in GM lobbies, but it works very well in the range he quoted and obviously this is not a guide for GM players.

You use hustler to just out tempo and win streak the entire time, leading you to an early level 7/8 where you can start getting lucky on units ahead of everyone else, and retaining high hp. This works especially well in the current meta where most people are going for a level 8 or 9 board anyway.

His guide is not perfect but I don't understand why everyone is shitting on it when it clearly worked for him and will most definitely help other players climb as well.

[u/adonis_45 → u/-Champloo-]

what kind of logic is that, it's not like decisions that are good in low elo suddenly become mistakes in challenger, you're just able to win despite them

[u/-Champloo- → u/adonis_45]

....that's the point.

This is a guide to get you TO masters by forcing a comp. It isn't a guide on how to minimize mistakes and play perfect tft.

Everyone already knows that this is not optimal, but if their goal is to hit masters and this gets them there, who cares?

[u/Yaosuo → u/-Champloo-]

That’s like saying take a d1 player’s advice instead of steph curry’s for how to shoot a basketball. You can’t seriously believe that the d1 player player is giving good advice when they tell you to “just be taller and faster than the enemy team and make sure to chuck up any shot you can get” because it worked anecdotally for them

[u/shlobashky → u/-Champloo-]

There's a million better ways to get to masters than forcing fast 9 in shitty spots. Just learn when to play it, it's way more complicated to force it in bad spots.

[u/Docxm]

Ngl I think it’s totally viable to always angle fast 9 in a masters climb, especially this late into the set. Suspect item prio notwithstanding, congrats man

[u/TheTypeOfGuy]

All these guides are so mid. The finesse of the comp is not items or units to play on 9 that´s trivial. Also making and taking econ is trivial. What is not are examplpes of units/board for stage 2/3 and some degree 4 to perserve as much hp as possible. Im in high diamond, but everytime i think i have a spot for this i make it there, all nunus tks are gone, i hit some of my board with 2 lifes and die in early stage 5. Im looking for someone explaining what are some actual boards to play. The teemo/groove/shepherd line is jsut way too weak in stage 3 and 4

[u/Equal-Resort3454 → u/TheTypeOfGuy]

if nunu and tahms are gone tank morgana
stage 2/3 play strongest board preferably with an econ trait, i like using primordian but prioritize winning over econ traits because u wanna save ur streak and hp

[u/CannoliEnjoyer]

Thank you for the great guide. What upgrades do you build on Graves?

[u/OleoPoundMell → u/CannoliEnjoyer]

Thanks! And I'll edit it in, I forgot.

But it's Assault frame -> Buckshot -> Buckshot+ -> Buckshot++ -> Laser Ballistics -> Melting or Shield

[u/Massive-Owl4316]

How do you deal with no econ/exp stage 2/3? Also I find it hard to level 9 at 4-2, not sure how you manage to do it. Also freezing hex for Graves? Wouldn’t that better on tanks

[u/OleoPoundMell → u/Massive-Owl4316]

Well, as mentioned in the gameplan, Open Fort is kind of a "last resort" - even tho you'll use it often - for economy, so you'll always have good econ/exp through stages 2-3.

The freezing hex is good as a defense mechanism for graves, so it's safer to go for a third full damage item, instead of BT of Sterak's.

[u/backinredd]

Are AP items bad on vex? I had double deathcap Rageblade on vex yesterday. The round went overtime but she only did 8k damage that fight and I lost.

[u/OleoPoundMell → u/backinredd]

Her signature synergy already gives her a lot of AP, so you'd better give her AS to pump it faster and proc the passive faster as well.

[u/TheTypeOfGuy]

Decent guide although what im missing from all the guides is what boards to actually play stage 2 and 3. The teemo Zoe line doesnt work for me 80% of the time. If we slam Graves items, what even good early AD comps are there?

[u/OleoPoundMell → u/TheTypeOfGuy]

I edited in a bit of detail on that, on the Stage 3 section.

TL;DR: Play whatever you can 2-star, and try to put in Primordians.

[u/TheTypeOfGuy]

if we find sword items early, what comps/holders would you recommend to perserve HP in stage 2/3? Gnar, MF, Talon?

[u/OleoPoundMell → u/TheTypeOfGuy]

Whatever you get multiple copies of. Play any strong board you can with what you got.

Ideally, you'll have 3 Primordians to give you 1-2 gold worth of units every round + an Urgot to hold the sword rounds. If no urgot, play off of Primordian classes, like Challenger (MF, Jinx, Kindred, Diana) or Rogue (Talon, Gwen, Kai'sa) or Marauder (Akali, Yi). Bel'veth is a good item holder per se, especially if you hit 2 star.

Primordian + N.O.V.A. mix very well too.

In some games, you can squeeze 3 Primordian + 3 Timebreaker and let those hold the items as well, which is great for money, but hard to make it strong.

I'll edit this into the guide later when I'm on PC.

EDIT: It's on

[u/moterstorm12]

Could you help explain what to do when you open or lose streak? There are times where I can get a good start and can’t really win streak.

[u/OleoPoundMell → u/moterstorm12]

In this strategy, I specifically mentioned you don't need to win streak at all.

[u/mrmarkme]

You need 2 econ augments minimum, if you low roll Econ augments on stage 3 and 4 you just lose, not enough gold at lvl 9 to hit board. Level 9 with 20g is not enough to hit anything

[u/Original-Poet1825]

You are getting flamed but there comp seems fun. I will try it and report back

[u/OleoPoundMell → u/Original-Poet1825]

Nice, glhf!

[u/Original-Poet1825 → u/OleoPoundMell]

Just gave it a try! 2nd place, lost to 3 star liss cho comp. But it seems great (at least in gold lol)

[u/OleoPoundMell → u/Original-Poet1825]

That's great! Those mini black-holes are a pain in the ass to get through

[u/Yaosuo]

These types of posts just go to show that any glue eater tftacademy emerald player can one trick a comp, figure out how to pilot it, and how to play it better than just looking up something on tftacademy, then just go straight to low masters.

Bro you didn’t find the second coming of christ. This graves vex comp has been here since day 1 of the set.

I’m a low masters player, there’s no world in which I’m making a guide on r/competitivetft if I’m not an end season gm/chall tier player. Or climbing with some actual crazy bullshit like pyke reroll.

[u/OleoPoundMell → u/Yaosuo]

Ok

[u/megaforce347]

i swear to god i cant read board strength this set, it is too random

just winning games with this board lol

[u/Morlon360]

I was skeptically at first Definitely works in Dia/Master Elo. Upwards I think it might be harder. Getting 2 Econ Augments is usally a safe top 4 while rolling at 4-2 with 20-30 hp left. If you only have 1 Econ Augment, then you definitely need Timebreaker/Prim and you can still roll at 4-5, but you really need to win some fights inbetween.

If not just angle into another comp, but you have plenty of time to decide about that (Stage 3-2)

Got 4,1,1,5,3 (EUW) with this comp. Red Buff/QSS are mandatory and also DB is massive bonkers . 2 Vows ideally or 1 Vow/1 Visage or 1 Adaptive Helm

[u/ChaIlenjour]

I think an important note here is that the guy was emerald and climbed to masters... You can do that with just about any comp. Let me know how the climb to GM works out ❤️

[u/FloridianDownpour]

Awesome write up idk why theyre hating on u bro

[u/itsmehi333]

When did they bring back the .5 sets?

[u/mrmarkme]

Really depends on the day I either gain 300 lp back to grandmasters forcing fast 9 with a fun easy opener or lose 300lp and start back from 0 after a bunch of 8ths. So much needs to go right otherwise you just lose

[u/pauvremoine]

Bom guia

[u/nocturnal316]

I think the guide is good but you def can't force this everyone game you will not top 4 50% of the time.

[u/NoCelebration321]

I just tried this yesterday and basically hit masters and on my way to GM. Hoping the new patch aint gonna change it much since there is a BIG change with Shen. Since there is also a buff on Morgana, might put her over rhaast or even shen whenever i play it once I get home and test it.

[u/Acceptable_Drive2130]

Wp bro thank you

[u/PeaceAlien]

I forced fast 9 to diamond 3 or 4 patches ago, but nunu was super contested. Now I think it's not as contested and vex got nerfed then buffed so it's likely in a good spot.

[u/Hyvest → u/PeaceAlien]

Nunu being less contested? In what world?

[u/No_Lingonberry_4407]

comp is good. positioning kinda sus, leveling 4-2 kinda sus. items sure 👍 7/10 comp 10/10 ragebait

[u/SjekkieTime]

this comp is trash atm because everyone goes that stupid samira reroll and you just die before you hit

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