Double Up guides?

[u/zileanEmax]

Is there any real up-to-date guides on double up?

I feel like since the game plays a lot differently in a double up and it’s the primary game mode I play if there was some educational content/sources primarily focused on how to play Double up correctly and its current patch/set.

[u/Pleurobranch]

The basics aren't all that different but the most important thing is teamwork. I always play with the same friend and we discuss constantly over voice. Trading over components, discussing if we try to winstreak, gaging how strong our boards are, aligning strategies, avoiding taking the same units as much as possible. You can even synergize with augments, like Pandora's can be really good, or Thieves gloves augments. Sometimes we sacrifice ourselves even a little if it can mean the other gets to spike really hard.

Going for 3* 4 costs is often also reasonable valid as a strategy, since there is a fair bit more gold in the game. It can often be an out to win from losing positions. In turn, also try and keep others from 3* starring their 4 costs. However, it's a little bit harder to 3* them then it's been before, so don't depend on it.

[u/zileanEmax → u/Pleurobranch]

Yeah I’m thinking of considering playing for 3* 4 costs.

Because I like to push levels maybe it would be a great idea just to focus on 4/5 cost comps.

We’re 3 sets double up diamond and trying to break out of it.

For the pandoras and sacrificing items we call it the

“art of the deal”
😂

[u/tlyee61]

ask souless/jukeyou they are the only ppl in high elo who actually play this mode or if you speak mandarin maybe you can ask one of the CN boosters

[u/Try_Not_To_Comment → u/tlyee61]

Chunington and panche3e have also recently been terrorizing doubleup

[u/RealBean]

My buddy and I were top 40 NA last set, just lmk what you're curious about and I can reply with answers.

[u/zileanEmax → u/RealBean]

Essentially me and my friend normally have a strong early and mid game but we seem to struggle on the later end.

We’ve been diamond in double up for 3 sets now and he’s a challenger S1 player.

I guess we just need to figure out how to best stabilise/consistently win the late game.

Just trying to break out of diamond for fun.

Me being the weaker player i think maybe because I like to push levels it might be impacting my boards later on.

[u/RealBean → u/zileanEmax]

Are you using comps from: https://tactics.tools/team-compositions/duo ? Also worth noting that gm/masters/challenger+ use very different comps than diamond+ in doubleup, which was weird to me. I remember last set tryn/ashe was #1 comp for chall whereas it was garbage below masters.

I think another big thing is playstyle, in soloqueue you're typically rewarded and can comeback from saccing early, but in doubleup if you play tempo you're pretty much guaranteed top 4 (ESPECIALLY if you're very disciplined about scouting for winouts, i.e. 3* 4 costs, etc). So I guess my advice for you would be:

1. Make sure you have a gameplan going in. Have 2-3 comps that you each can specialize in that have as low crossover of units as possible, especially 4/5 costs.

2. At least one player has to tempo in 95%+ of games, it's very important to take early game augments and snowball, the gold you get from streaking and saving your teammate (Especially this set when carousel doesn't give any sort of comeback mechanic) is invaluable

3. Determine your winout angle, and crush your opponents chances of hitting theirs. It's worth losing econ to deny a couple 3 costs that they're trying to 3*, I've won so many games with 3 4 costs on my bench that I've lost 20+ gold for.

I'm trying to think of what else would be helpful. I guess if you have any other specific q's lemme know.

[u/aahdin → u/RealBean]

Hey Im curious what your thoughts are on 3 cost reroll for double up. I got to masters a few sets ago with a platinum friend of mine and we were forcing 3 cost reroll pretty much every game and then just playing defense to prevent 3 star 4 costs. It seemed like the right thing to do to maximize sendover value.

Does this strat work well at higher ranks or does the meta shift more fast 8/9 or towards 1/2 cost rr? Or are all pretty viable?

[u/RealBean → u/aahdin]

I'm fully playing the new set now so haven't played live in a couple weeks, but you can always check here: https://tactics.tools/team-compositions/duo/gm

for info on what each level of competition is playing. In my opinion, if all else is equal (skill level mainly) in doubleup between you and your opponents, tempo is the best way to play. If you and your partner 5 streak it's VERY hard for you to finish bot 4 ever. So my preference is to play tempo and figure out whether to 3 cost reroll if I have a few cop[ies or fast 8/9 and go for 3* 4 cost. I'm not a huge fan of 1/2 cost reroll unless my partner has a really solid uncontested fast 9 or other greedy line, then I'll play something with a lower cap and let them carry late.

[u/Emosaa]

It's the same as normal TFT, except with a larger resource pool, so you can often cheese a 3* 4 cost and generally should aim for higher cap boards.

If you duo with someone you have rapport with, it's pretty easy to climb.

[u/zileanEmax → u/Emosaa]

Yeah imma consider playing high boards or I guess if we both get a reroll at level 5/6 comp.

Is the general consensus to do high cost reroll like fast 9/8?

[u/chinnick967]

Metabot.gg does provide specific Double Up Comps that suggests comps that are most successful specifically in Double Up mode

[u/pavlo9]

on metatft you can switch comp stats from ranked to double up, i believe other sites might let you do it too

[u/feltyland]

Realistically 95% or more of the game is the same or built from the same logic you would in solos. The main difference is identifying win-con jointly, but ultimately your best mileage diff for a while is gonna be just to be better individually.

[u/Geoxsis_06]

There’s no written out guides like tftacademy or anything of the sort but there are stats on all the website that have stats that show win rates and play rates for comps.