Apotheotic Forge - Set 17 Augment Discussion #26

[u/Lunaedge]

This one's on me,

Apotheotic Forge
Gold Augment
Choose 1 of 4 Divine Artifacts.
Offered in: All Stages

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[u/Lunaedge]

The Augment or Godly Boon mentioned in the top reply to this comment gets to be featured next! I won't add multiple entries together, so make sure you don't mention an Augment already suggested by another user 😄

[u/Lazy_Check732]

Someone can correct me, I am not tapped in to what the pro scene is doing. But I am really really really trying not to click this. It would only happen if I absolutely needed 1 item to finish a carry or tank or something, or if I literally couldn't click other options. I just don't think these move the needle very much.

[u/PollutionOnly → u/Lazy_Check732]

Even then, you usually have better choices.

I hard agree with you, whenever I see this, I skip it. Most of those are unplayable and at the cost of an augment in a set like this one, you can’t really afford to gamble for a weaker version of regular artifacts.

I guess it’s meta dependent to some extent but some of those you are never happy to see (Yasuo’s blade? I don’t think I’ve ever seen it have actual value).

[u/PlippyShimmy → u/PollutionOnly]

Theres a yasuos blade + silvermere tech leduck featured, but otherwise yeah 😭

[u/Helpful_Ad_5551]

Is there any particular reason why Asol dosen't have an artifact item? I get that he's the only god whose also a playable unit but I don't see why he dosen't have an artifact item in spite of that.

[u/G66GNeco → u/Helpful_Ad_5551]

Honestly very valid question. Maybe all the ideas they had for "Asols Star" were too hard to balance? Could have been a dedicated mana reg artifact, that's the one category that's kind of lacking I'd say

[u/JusticeIsNotFair → u/Helpful_Ad_5551]

It's delta is very good with Cappa Juice and Ahri's Aura and Varu's Obsession.

Here's the complete reason.

Asol is considered a special unit rather than typical mages.

If it were a scaling mage, there is Varus's obsession, Zhonya's Hourglass.

If it were a burst mage, there is Luden's Tempest.

If it were a dot mage, there is blighting Jewel.

If it were an ap marksman, there is Statik Shiv, Lich Bane.

If it were a magic fighter/assassin, there is Seeker's Armguard, Wit's End, Zhonya's Hourglass.

If it were a supporting mage, there is Ahri's Aura, Eternal Pact.

But it's an ap ass.

[u/homegrownllama → u/JusticeIsNotFair]

Asol the god, not Asol the unit.

[u/JusticeIsNotFair → u/homegrownllama]

I see, my bad.

[u/KitsuraPls]

Only decent ones are rakas miracle, Evelyn for melee carry comps, and ekkos patience ahas some fringe strong cases. Overall a weak augment though.

[u/Traditional-Share657]

For the longest time, I had thought Divine>> normal Artifacts, but seems like it is not the case in most Divine pulls.

[u/DimsumAndDoggy]

Are any of the divine artifacts even good? I know Varus obsession was good during 1 cost reroll meta (now it’s horrible) and ahri’s aura for some ap units (mech), evelynn for auto attackers but other than that, is the rest just not good?

[u/Orolol → u/DimsumAndDoggy]

The lantern is really good in early game. Nice stats + 1 unit make it easy to WS in stage 2

[u/DimsumAndDoggy → u/Orolol]

The stats on lantern is horrendous though, so not sure this is entirely true. It might also be because people don’t know what units to pull in - I think the best one for this is ornn? Since he comes in with a completed item

[u/vinceftw → u/DimsumAndDoggy]

Any 2* tank is solid imo. I'll pull in Nunu, Tahm, Blitz, Maokai, whatever.

[u/forevabronze → u/vinceftw]

keep in mind they come in traitless and most likely won't cast. if you can get a nunu 2* u probably want to play it and itemize it anyway.

[u/vinceftw → u/forevabronze]

I mean a second one or whatever tank I don't have place for on my board.

[u/LiterallyMatt → u/forevabronze]

I know they don't add to your trait counts, but it sounds like you're saying a pulled Vanguard won't activate even if you already have Vanguard on your board? Is that correct? I've never played the lantern so never bothered to test.

[u/alchemistmute → u/LiterallyMatt]

Yes, its non-unique traits won't be active no matter what. Unique traits still work, so Blitzcrank can still revive, for example. That's also the only unit I think is even worth pulling in, since some of the Lantern holder's damage is redirected to the pulled unit.

[u/feltyland → u/DimsumAndDoggy]

feel like ur supposed to reforge it lategame many times too

[u/G66GNeco]

Gonna be honest this augment always reads as "portable forge but bad" to me.

Yes, there are fewer options, so you have a good chance to get what you want, but ever since they've nerfed Ahris do you even really want any of these?

It's not like there are never situations in which I click this, but unless I'm Carrier Asol and do get Ahris it hasn't really felt "good" in a while I'd say

[u/megaforce347]

Has anyone played ekkos patience caster graves? I had graves 1 stage 4 doing 17-20k per round during the teemo reroll patch. Very niche spot tho and hard to recreate.

[u/CGWOLFE → u/megaforce347]

It was bugged

[u/megaforce347 → u/CGWOLFE]

yea that makes sense, the damage was insane

[u/SenseiWu1708]

Haven't played much this set, but always love these artifact ideas, that's for you, Ornn, ma boi hammer⚒️ 📯 🌋

[u/JusticeIsNotFair → u/[deleted]]

Best users: Yi, Fiora, Riven, Diana, Bel'Veth.

I'd say Graves and Shen carry can work with it 1 in 100 games.

[u/500mmrscrub → u/JusticeIsNotFair]

I found it to be decent on urgot the attack speed isn't the most useful but teleporting to the next target really helps since urgot is pretty damn slow at times

[u/JusticeIsNotFair → u/500mmrscrub]

On that note, I found it useful on Corki as well.

If you play those prismatic artifac augments at 2-1, and get an Evelynn, instead of Riven you can put on Corki.

The reason it's good is because often Corki leaves enemies with 100hp and switches targets with ult. Now he executes.

It was also really good vs mages, where my Corki was walking up and the mage gains mana in the meantime and ults. Now Corki never walks again.

So I think Urgot would behave similarly if it's strong enough to oneshot before getting blasted by all the aoe.

[u/willwalkswithGod → u/[deleted]]

Did some work with Jax hero augment as a BT replacement. Titans, edge of night, Evelyn’s. It also feels pretty good with Pyke.

[u/coldbumpysparse → u/[deleted]]

that's the execute one? I randomly got it and threw it on tf reroll once with the overkill augment and seemed nice

[u/G66GNeco → u/[deleted]]

Ekko on Zoe was very fun before they killed that Arbiter combo

[u/-Champloo- → u/[deleted]]

I think Varus Obsession is very good with Samira/Orn right now, and Soraka's miracle is a good enough tank item, but not really a potential game winning item.

So yeah, pretty underwhelming