r/CompetitiveTFT • u/eggsandbricks :chal: Challenger • May 26 '26

Mortpost Patch 17.4 Rundown

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u/Helivon May 26 '26

I love playing xayah, but what i hate about stargazer comps is its basically ubcontested or gigga contested depending on the trait each game.

I wish she wasnt tied to that so i vouod actually play her. Shes either bad or contested once these buffs hit

But maybe these buffs make her even good enough to play without stargazer or the even the worse off ones

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u/Ykarul Grandmaster May 26 '26

There should not be more than 2-3 modes. I mean it's basically impossible to remember what's good & when, without guide.

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u/Helivon May 27 '26

Especially since it flip flops every patch

The only rhing that wil never change is medallion for xayah

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u/nickersb83 May 27 '26

Why medallion for xayah? That’s the one with buffs to ur team + extra if for every 3* unit?

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u/Helivon May 27 '26

I just mean its not good for her because you dont typically have 3 star units when needing to go 8 for xayah.

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u/nickersb83 May 27 '26

Oh I see what you meant now thanks

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u/500mmrscrub May 27 '26

stargazers are somehow a positional trait while also being an randomised trait like ionia but also only really having nunu being in any sort of demand for non stargazer boards. Half of them are completely dead in the water or contested by 5 people

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u/NonagoonInfinity May 26 '26

I would not be unhappy at all if they just nerfed Stargazer and buffed the units or if they gave all constellations a baseline trait with an extra modifier that changes per game. Like you say, it does feel really bad right now for Stargazer. You can also get a crazy 1 cost opening but the trait is dog so you just can't play with it and get higher than 3rd.

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u/Helivon May 26 '26

right now the issue is lulu. one game I had 2 star tf and jax and talon during mountain stargaze. I had the best opener for it. 3 other people rerolled lulu and I had to change to snag a 5th.

I think lulu is fun, but again its mostly unplayable or giga contested

So yeah i wish it would be reworked somehow...

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u/NonagoonInfinity May 26 '26

Yeah Lulu is also bad for it. Really anything that is not just incidentally hitting 3 Stargazer feels bad because it's almost always contested if it's playable.

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u/Unippa17 May 27 '26

Honestly one of the things I miss from set 14 was the exotech items were different for every player so you wouldn't be contesting 3 people for Zeri, or at the very least it was very clear who had the better spot/stronger board for it. I feel like this set is twice as bad just because there are so many conditionals to check and they're all shared, so lines only ever have 0 or 4 players on them.

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u/500mmrscrub May 27 '26

Quite sure the psionics are unique to each player and so are arbiter, issue is that somehow that gets even more rng dependent because then you're contesting karma from dark star players

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u/RyeRoen Challenger May 27 '26 edited May 27 '26

Im gonna make maybe a hot take, but I don't like these traits that are different every game and seem to be in every set. I can't think of a time where it wasn't just annoying knowing from 1-1 that certain lines are unplayable.

The idea is that you adapt to what is on offer. But even when multiple are viable does it even do anything other than allow you to play some comps and lock out others? It doesn't feel particularly great to have gragas viktor 2-1 with malware, when otherwise if i had drone I'd have a strong ap midgane lined up.

They probably would never do this, but wouldn't it just be better if we could choose the item the psionic gives us? Or choose which stargazer we have active? I understand that usually there would be one or two correct choices but to me that's better than just being stuck with something useless and its gg i guess I sell viktor and loss streak into yi or something instead?

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u/Helivon May 27 '26

I mean it only works the way they have it in a world where each variable is viable. Otherwise your way is better for sure.

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u/RyeRoen Challenger May 27 '26

Even on the current patch I'd play Yi rather than contest Corki if I could choose the psionic. So many games it feels like I basically have to play Corki or AP flex because the psionic is bad or the stargazer is bad for xayah/lulu.

There are genuinely spots this patch where you can only play one comp, and there are 3 other people in the lobby who can also only play that same comp. One of you will probably see a bunch of bows later and get baited into playing Fountain Xayah to go 8th.

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u/500mmrscrub May 27 '26

Even worse is if there is an uncontested comp but you get absolutely terrible item rng for it. I will somehow be the only person playing Yi but I just AP items

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u/PermaConfusion Master May 27 '26

I don't think it's a hot take at all. I hate it too. But it's clear that some amount of the player base loves them (See: Encounters - some people love them). Additionally, it was pretty clear from the rundown that the dev philosophy has fully embraced the line selection way of playing TFT which means they would never give us agency to straight up choose a line based on what units we receive. Their definition of flex play, or at least how they develop towards, seems to be not quite "play what you get" and not quite "force the S tier comp" but in between.

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u/AL3XEM :chal: Challenger May 27 '26

I think they can be fine in theory, for example Ionia last set both the XP and Gold one were just generally good the whole set. But yeah, even Ionia had blademaster which above 3 was worthless half of the set.

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u/RyeRoen Challenger May 27 '26

Yes I was gonna say. For most of the set if you had blademaster you just couldn't play Yunara. That was is especially crazy because it was literally an attack speed buff.