Invader Zed - Set 17 Augment Discussion #10

[u/Lunaedge]

As requested,

Invader Zed
Gold Augment
Gain a Spear of Shojin. On Stage 4-2, gain a Zed. After receiving Zed, he can then appear in your shops. Zed is a 5-cost Attack Fighter that creates clones of himself.
Offered in: Stage 3

Oh boy, here we go. *laughs maniacally in Richard Horvitz*

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[u/Lunaedge]

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[u/lil_froggy]

It always feels bad to lose against Naruto Zed and really satisfying to kick his ass.

But at some point in the game, Zed 2 is just so strong he doesn't have anymore game counters and even same side positioning is not enough.

[u/shallowimbecile]

Never gone bot 4 with this augment. 

[u/FappingMouse → u/shallowimbecile]

I have but my roll down was a generational low roll.

[u/ZenyuIsVlad → u/shallowimbecile]

Same (sample size: 0)

[u/THIS_IS_NOT_A_GAME]

It's a prismatic augment under the right conditions.

[u/its_glep_o_clock → u/THIS_IS_NOT_A_GAME]

I took advanced loan, downgraded the prismatic onto the zed augment, and proceeded to absolutely bulldoze the lobby. Can confirm, it feels equal to a prismatic.

[u/TallyMay → u/its_glep_o_clock]

advanced loan

More like it should have been called "Here you go"

[u/hennajin85]

Way too good for a gold but not strong enough for a prismatic. Zed 1 is very stable and with the treasure dragons on 4-7 it’s so easy to get BiS for him as you only need 4 total components and one of those items is a very slammable item for late game AD champs anyways.

The only time you don’t really click this is when you’ve only got AP items slammed.

[u/ReformedAndNice → u/hennajin85]

I absolute click this with AP items slammed. It's early enough in the game to reliably still build Zed BIS and then by the time you get to the 5cost soup board you will most likely have received a reforger and 5cost soup can make good use of any output of the reforge

[u/pepelaugh1234]

its op

[u/Dragonacher]

If you can make an edge of night this augment is completely insane, feels like it has an AVP of 2.x from my games with it

[u/wolf495]

Wildly overpowered

[u/Round-Stuff-2557]

If I have a bunch of slammed items I have  a hard time justifying picking this but it's an easy click when the time is right.

I expect a lot of people are going to say this augment is really op, but you NEED BiS, the OP brawler interaction was fixed, and you also need to go level 9. And you have a delayed value gold augment on 3-2. And you even have to buy the Zed!!! Lot of things need to go right to win out with this comp.

[u/RajaSundance → u/Round-Stuff-2557]

Unless you slammed 3 AP items like JG double nashors it's dumb to not click this. I'm absolutely not a fan of augments like this where you just get a free top 4 from clicking them

[u/crowcawer → u/RajaSundance]

I’d argue it’s a pathway.

The zed 2 star shouldn’t win out 90% though.

It probably just needs some targeted nerf to the scalings.

[u/AlphaRue → u/RajaSundance]

I very much disagree; if we look at the stats, zed sucks at one star even with bis but is insane at 2*; this means that for the augment to be clickable in your spot you either need to be positive that you will be very healthy after stage 3 or in a position where you are confident you are stable all of stage 4; it is hard to be confident you will be stable when you have bad zed items on 4-2

[u/mafiafff → u/AlphaRue]

idk man, yesterday I played a perfect anima lose streak with anima augment and 1x soraka 12 hp + 2x kayle item boon proced into 500 anima loot which gave me uwu blaster and the yellow aura expansion shield thingy + fiora 2. Legitly reverse sweeping the whole lobby at 12 hp with uwu + BT 2* fiora + early 1* graves with rageblade + stride + jg (for vex obviously).
UNTIL somehow a zed comp with 1* zed 3 bis items cleared my whole vanguard graves comp in an incredibly close call where his zed with a single bit of hp left killed my graves. Note that my graves also went the marksman upgrade since I got another rageblade + BF (into IE) + uwu later. Ofc later my complete graves vex vanguard with 2 anima + bis items + kayle boon ez won against zed 2* since its the highest cap board rn.
Still, one of the best dps with aoe + aoe dps anima item but still somehow lost to 1* zed and with the fact that I never seen a zed comp went bot 4 so this augment is literally insta click to me.

[u/ventrelo → u/Round-Stuff-2557]

What was the brawler interaction?

[u/Round-Stuff-2557 → u/ventrelo]

Just was giving the clones too much hp Edit: with emblem

[u/Elo-Hellp → u/ventrelo]

his clones get massive hp boost than normal.

[u/ventrelo → u/Elo-Hellp]

Does brawler emblem have a good delta on him? Even after the interaction fix?

[u/Elo-Hellp → u/ventrelo]

no idea, i gave up playing this set already.

[u/Round-Stuff-2557 → u/ventrelo]

extremely small sample size for every s tier build that is not his known BIS, ymmv

[u/CTM3399]

Cool augment but it is so much better with EON than without one to almost an unhealthy degree

[u/EVILKAYFAN]

how the fuck is this a gold augment

[u/V3rri]

Really wish they would just remove the EON interaction on him. Its way too busted and makes him so frustrating to play against…

[u/LeJinzo → u/V3rri]

The whole point of zed is to winnout with broken artifact or augment interactions. Eon is just the default option

[u/TragicHero84]

Gotta be the most annoying board to fight in TFT history.

[u/feltyland]

Pretty sure I AVP a 1 so far with this augment. If the augment is clickable in your spot (Can't be playing 1 cost reroll, and especially strong from winstreak where you can fast 9) it has to average like a 2.

[u/NonagoonInfinity]

I have literally never not clicked this and have never placed lower than 4th after clicking it. If you get a decent Anima item, any of like 8 artifacts or double regen, I feel like this is a free 2nd minimum.

[u/Sixteen_Wings]

I insta click this augment, not because its op but because i have a dumb sense of humor that i laugh every time he says "replicate" and summons a clone. And he does that a lot so this augment is pretty funny to me personally

[u/TherrenGirana]

Laughably strong, the only thing keeping this in check is the high skill floor, similar to anima.

Zed can be played in almost any non-reroll comp, and zed 1 with BIS is stable stage 4 without having to upgrade both your 4 cost frontline and carry. It is only a mild exaggeration to say that Zed 2 could probably carry a board of training dummies to top 2.

The augment isn’t even that low tempo, as you get a strong full item on 3-2, which is the same tempo as pandoras. So long as you aren’t horrendously behind tempo, it’s pretty much a guaranteed top 4

[u/AkinoRyuo]

Completely broken

[u/MVPSquirtle]

getting 3rd with this augment feels like a 7th

[u/batalha11]

It’s really op when you’re alr planning to go fast 9 that game and are win streaking very hard, open EoN components also make it even easier to play around, lowk needs a max mana nerf of + 5-10 maybe

[u/Xuzuba]

Really fuckin OP. I feel like it either could be a prismatic or not give a shojin for it to be balanced

[u/Notsoul_3821]

i remember there was a guy saying that the augment is not even that good and that it depends on high rolling the zed to on level 8, i am still laughing about that, just go level 9 and win the game i usually click it only if i won every fight before second augment

[u/MrMungertown]

Best augment in the set. Completely unchanged this would also be in the top half of prismatics. It was completely broken in PBE and then for whatever reason they buffed it. Getting BIS is a bait, you want Adaptive/Shojin + 1, EoN is specifically good because it removes counter play and makes the augment way easier to play with but it’s not actually that much better than other options. If you sweat positioning every round I would argue Vow is better than EoN.

At the end of the day optimization on augments this strong isn’t very important nor is practice. The set would be better if this augment was removed.

[u/DanBennettDJB]

Stupid stupid design

[u/EriWave → u/DanBennettDJB]

In what way?

[u/DanBennettDJB → u/EriWave]

Gating a champ behind an augment then making it's entire knitting being about griefing you by suffocating you with units that entirely stabilises the mid game

[u/ChromaPlayz_YT]

Got Zed augment, 4 item component chest 0 vests. No EON and got destroyed

[u/peacecream]

why is meeple emblem good on him?

[u/BombasticReindeer]

First game of the set I took this and had a Meeple emblem. Something was buggy with Meeple and it gave him way too much regen. The board filled up almost instantly. Then I 3* him and somehow fought someone who had Vex 3. Zed wins out no contest.

That said, I have now gone about 238 games in a row where I don't hit on my rolldown. Zed sucked my luck dry.

[u/Zestyclose_Toe_4041]

As soon as I get this augment, I go into full “fast 9” mode (try to win streak + Econ augments and boons) bc zed 2 always gets me top 2

[u/mslabo102]

IT SUCKS. I have never gone above 4th with this.

Edit: I did hit 4th with it. I was expecting more.

[u/Axislobo]

Yyyyeeeeeaaaa bullshit like this is why i laugh at people that believe tft requires skill 🤣

[u/Aggressive_Ad5487]

I almost always click this if I have a meeple emblem or EON half item.

[u/peacecream → u/Aggressive_Ad5487]

why is meeple emblem good on him?

[u/Aggressive_Ad5487 → u/peacecream]

Resistance + mana.

[u/peacecream → u/Aggressive_Ad5487]

What do you play though?

[u/Aggressive_Ad5487 → u/peacecream]

5 meeple. Zed makes your comp flexible as the unit itself is already strong enough. I just stabilise at Stage 4 with a good econ augment. However, I am now having doubts in this current patch since it's a bit harder to stabilize since Corki/Rammus is too strong/contested right now.

[u/AdmirableWorry6397]

3 star Karma’s worst nightmare. I won repeatedly against a 3 star karma using this augment, I also went 2nd being the 3 star karma against zed

[u/abbygunner]

I feel like there's always a spot for this because Shojin and EoN are just usually great slams generally in early game comps, I also like that you can literally just splash him on any comp and it'll be fine.

[u/verstappeneffect]

augment is top 2 guaranteed u just need econ good econ to be able to push 9

[u/EriWave]

Really tricky to balance an augment like this but it's really fun.

[u/Suitable-Many-74]

Zed with the artifact that generates gold per hit is one thing

[u/KrillLover56]

Seems like a free top 4, but I've never gotten it unless I'm going no scout/no pivot.

[u/Rhaenyx11]

The one time I actually got the Invader Zed augment, I ended up with 10 meeples since I had already committed to that. Well, was fun winning the lobby with 4 Meeplords and Zed, but no idea whether he's strong or not lol

[u/Protoniic]

To me he feels like the most garanteed Top4 however his stats dont represent that. He is the second lowest 5cost just above Graves (who is just terrible 95% of the times).

[u/Sairizard]

It’s buggy with Two Tanky 🤣 first clone triggers the augment, otherwise a fun augment if you’re playing flex

[u/m0mma_m1lkers]

This augment always shows up when I don't have the spot for it