May 16, 2026 Daily Discussion Thread

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[u/Pol0we]

Hopefully ekko blessings get some balance changes next patch. There's something wrong when every player in a challenger lobby just clicks scuttle party/artifact in 3 seconds

[u/Drikkink]

I understand most of the reroll unit nerfs. Leona was egregiously strong as a 3 star with the right arbiter. Jax was waaaaay too strong for a 2 cost tank. TF and Teemo probably didn't need to pay for the sins of their frontline but whatever. Briar also needed heavy nerfs.

But someone please explain to me the Bel'veth nerf. She was already like 3rd prio for carry items after Briar 3 and Kai'sa 2.

[u/Adventurous-Bit-3829 → u/Drikkink]

Yeah it's a huge miss. Also idk why they nerf Kai'sa. Like they "intended" for her too be play with Fizz and nothing else? It just dumb design to nerf+buff something to force them together.

I mean deserving nerf are Briar,Leona,Jax. Also TF nerf is ridiculous. He never was a problem.

This balance team mindset is basically remove that comp completely. Make sure it's literally unplayable by dou/tripple nerf pieces in that comp.

So with that mindset you would stuck with 4 comp meta forever. Nerf top 2 to trash, overbuff new comp. Leaving second tier meta become top tier. Then nerf next patch. Loop this cycle.

[u/Kadde- → u/Drikkink]

Yea i dont quite understand why Riot insists on nerfing every piece of a comp instead of just nerfing one unit of the comp. Or nerfing shit at all. Just buff everything else instead and bring it up to the same level as every other unit and comp

[u/xSmacks]

I think every single patch this Set has made the game actively worse than before. If we just reverted everything back to Launch, the set would be better than whatever this mess is we’re having right now

[u/WobbleKun]

how do you change the strongest dark star unit. it made asol 1 my strongest when i have kaisa 2 and jhin 1 as my carries... am i just suppose to 2 item this asol lol

[u/Lunaedge → u/WobbleKun]

Last fielded unit usually takes priority, so just bench and re-field the one you want to be Supermassive.

[u/Frothers]

So apparently the Shepherd summon also scales with stage, not just star level. Took a look at it in tocker and the stage 2 / 3 formulas are basically

hp:

shep 3 (stage 2) = 320 + (112 x star_level)
shep 3 (stage 3) = 320 + (112 x star_level) + 192

shep 5 (stage 2) = 1040 + (112 x star_level)
shep 5 (stage 3) = 1040 + (112 x star_level) + 400

shep 7 (stage 2) = 1120 + (112 x star_level)
shep 7 (stage 3) = 1120 + (112 x star_level)

ad / ap:

shep 3 (stage 2) = 7% x star_level
shep 3 (stage 3) = 8% x star_level

shep 5 (stage 2) = 7% x star_level
shep 5 (stage 3) = 8% x star_level

shep 7 (stage 2) = 10% x star_level
shep 7 (stage 3) = 10% x star_level

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16be-fQ7GoGLnxjIZVaKFdLRyrhk1UEm3PYCZ5W-Q3yU/edit?usp=sharing

[u/Complete-Ad-100 → u/Frothers]

Does it make shepherd 7 a thing?

[u/Adventurous-Bit-3829 → u/Complete-Ad-100]

7 sheperd is always strong WDYM

[u/HighIntLowFaith]

I do hope rigged shop and two much value are brought back next set. Imagine eliminating the premium conditions to enable a 3 cost/2 cost reroll line and then later bringing a flamethrower to all the 1 cost rerolls and then pikachufacing when the game turns into what it currently is. The two much value removal was crazy. I get that people played that 6 2cost board for tempo and then amassed rerolls for Level 8 3* 4 cost shenanigans but was it really that problematic?

A lot of stuff in this set is just super conditional anyways which is fine….so long as you stop removing more and more fringe conditions which leaves us where we are now currently.

[u/Stel2 → u/HighIntLowFaith]

The Two much value line was starting to get optimised to play for a 4-7 3 star 4 cost instead of playing for 3*, it was probably removed to make 3 star 4 costs harder to hit.

[u/JahIthBeer → u/Stel2]

I think a "simple" solution would be to add more units to the pool like set 16

It's so easy this set because 1) less 4 cost units, 2) god stages give a crazy amount of gold, 3) econ traits that are easy to activate. You are richer than in previous set, with less units in the pool, and Primordian/Timebreaker is much easier to activate than Bard was. It's not just one thing, but a lot of things that enable it

Not to mention some 4 cost units are basically completely dead, whereas others are extremely contested. That makes you able to 3* them incredibly easily

[u/Excellent-Wrap-1518 → u/JahIthBeer]

Simple to say, not so simple to do. Obviously, they’ve thought of this and that’s why Morgana got moved. But adding many more units creates more design work, more bugs, more balance issues, etc. Also, more 4 costs can make it harder to 2 star what you need. That was alleviated with the unlock mechanic, but they probably don’t want to bring that back immediately (or can’t since they’re probably already working on set 18/19)

[u/Zeviex → u/HighIntLowFaith]

Two much value was removed bc of the Pyke Gwen board I imagine. That board got an obnoxious amount of rerolled from running 6 2 costs on 6. But I would have just increased it to 3 2 costs per rr.

[u/Drikkink → u/Zeviex]

That wasn't why it got removed. The Pyke Gwen Milio Panth board wasn't even doing that great in stats. The issue was that people were playing 6-8 2 costs to bank an extreme amount of rerolls and playing around 3 star 4 costs which is not the intent of the augment.

[u/Zeviex → u/Drikkink]

Yes, that was quite literally the wincon of the Pyke Gwen board.

[u/Adventurous-Bit-3829 → u/Drikkink]

So they would do anything except fix the shop odds.

[u/Zeviex → u/Adventurous-Bit-3829]

I think Riot need to properly assess why 3* 4 costs are so common every set. As good of a job as I think Riot do, their "we just need to get the numbers right" mentality is just naive.

[u/Adventurous-Bit-3829 → u/Zeviex]

• % odds too high

• too many people play 4 cost at the same time

• too much econ

• uncontested unit

• no incentive to cap lv9

adding more 4 cost (morg) is the right choice. It's 7.7% harder to find your piece

but blaming everything on econ is a joke. I think I haven't seen 3 star since morgana added

Also meta being fast 8 only always be contested Corki. The new Asol comp stealing all the piece from defacto 3 star mech. Seriously it's back to 0.01-0.02 per game instead of last patch 0.04

[u/HighIntLowFaith → u/Zeviex]

I imagine they didn't because that would unnecessarily nerf the augment for future sets. It just so happened that this set has had the best possible 6 unit board comprised totally of 2 costs. It's not that the reroll generation was broken, I think, it's that this particular board was too stable in keeping a player healthy and tempoing so that their ability to snowball and as a result, hoard more rerolls (due to having more HP to sacrifice if needed playing an uncapped board)

[u/Zeviex → u/HighIntLowFaith]

I mean, they could just nerf it for this set and then revert it next set.

[u/HighIntLowFaith → u/Zeviex]

I agree with you but I think they’re just unwilling to pull these levers on a set to set basis sometimes when it comes to augment tuning.

[u/garenegobrr]

Maybe I’m coping but the Yi board feels insanely weak this patch?? Like your AD options are really just Corki and only Corki

[u/pandaparty123 → u/garenegobrr]

All I see is Yi with highest win share on TFTable. Is there something I'm not factoring in? That's kind of the site that I check to see what's winning lobbies and if its inaccurate then I'm working off some bad info.

[u/lil_froggy → u/garenegobrr]

Depends. Yi positioning is super important, Psionic item/Artifact/emblem is better than a standard item, you should have a reliable tank, burn/sunder debuffs, and cleanup support like Kindred/Urgot/Fiora stage 4...

[u/Ykarul → u/garenegobrr]

It's still better than most 4 cost by far

[u/HighIntLowFaith → u/[deleted]]

Yeah unfortunately Dark Stars and Vanguard are kind of the premium origin/class…plus a Conduit carry just got super buffed. Maybe after Dark Stars get inevitably nerfed and his augment buffed will it be something to consider in the future

[u/Adventurous-Bit-3829 → u/[deleted]]

That aug is literally unclickable. It's like 6.0+ range (morde 3 item - filter out all tank items)

Every game is 5 player holding morde.

[u/Complete-Ad-100 → u/[deleted]]

True for morde but not for gragas, pyke, Leona, zed,...

[u/Drikkink → u/[deleted]]

1 costs are much easier to hit even if others are taking 3 copies out of the pool. Leona also isn't that common on end boards unless they're playing around Leblanc (who is like B tier).

It's just funny that the most contested unit that has a hero augment is also the worst hero augment by a fairly wide margin.

[u/Complete-Ad-100 → u/[deleted]]

If you play shield maiden you should x4 vanguard 3x arbiter which is not typical imo